Sorta late news but here

[abaris]

Don't forget to include atheists in that list, oh wait, they have the biggest body count of all.
http://www.scottmanning.com/content/comm...ody-count/

Asinine as always. Communist dictators didn't kill in the name of atheism but in the name of their ideology which wasn't atheism but a perverted form of Marxism. You play the communist card and I raise you one Hitler, one Franco, one Mussolini, one Pavellic, one Pinochet and countless other dictators, who were christians and had in their largest parts a very good standing with religious powers and organisations.

Would it be unfair to say, they killed in the name of christianity? Of course, but if you want to play it black and white with your ignorance of history, so be it.

[Lucanus]

Don't forget to include atheists in that list, oh wait, they have the biggest body count of all.
http://www.scottmanning.com/content/comm...ody-count/

Asinine as always. Communist dictators didn't kill in the name of atheism but in the name of their ideology which wasn't atheism but a perverted form of Marxism. You play the communist card and I raise you one Hitler, one Franco, one Mussolini, one Pavellic, one Pinochet and countless other dictators, who were christians and had in their largest parts a very good standing with religious powers and organisations.

Would it be unfair to say, they killed in the name of christianity? Of course, but if you want to play it black and white with your ignorance of history, so be it.

I dream of the day when people like Buggy will stop using this argument. I see it all the time and it makes me mad. It's like the "Why are there still monkeys" argument for creationism... Makes me want to bang my head on the wall

ETA: I meant to say Huggy, but my autocorrect interpreted it as Buggy. Oh well

[robvalue]

Oh boy! Yet another "but you atheists..." from Huggy! I am getting so sick of it. Tu quoque fallacy, again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Another attempt at derailment. Please change the record.

Or at least learn what mistake you are making every single time. Along with the fact that your objection is always invalid because atheism is not a belief system or an organisation. Still.

http://robvalue.wix.com/atheism#!tu-quoque/c17iz

[downbeatplumb]

Violence is the natural conclusion of religion.

Sad, while I don't agree with either religion, I appreciate history. That's a terrible waste.

Violence is the natural conclusion of all ideas that highlight differences.

Racial purity, social systems all these are fought over.
Religion seems to thrashing around at the moment.
I hope its death thows.

And where do you think all those bigoted things come from?

I'm pretty sure that not everything is religions fault.

[Huggy Bear]

Don't forget to include atheists in that list, oh wait, they have the biggest body count of all.
http://www.scottmanning.com/content/comm...ody-count/

Asinine as always. Communist dictators didn't kill in the name of atheism but in the name of their ideology which wasn't atheism but a perverted form of Marxism. You play the communist card and I raise you one Hitler, one Franco, one Mussolini, one Pavellic, one Pinochet and countless other dictators, who were christians and had in their largest parts a very good standing with religious powers and organisations.

Would it be unfair to say, they killed in the name of christianity? Of course, but if you want to play it black and white with your ignorance of history, so be it.

State atheism IS an ideology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism_and_religion

In the Marxist–Leninist interpretation of Marxist theory, developed primarily by Russian revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, religion is seen as retarding human development, and socialist states that follow a Marxist–Leninist variant are inherently atheistic. Due to this, a number of Marxist–Leninist governments in the twentieth century, such as the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, implemented rules introducing state atheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by a government.

Here's the point, Christian "ideology" requires that you express love toward your fellow man. Any examples of supposed Christians not living up to that standard means they are not Christians, or at best hypocrites, but you guys seem to think that is a "no true scotsman".

If an apple tree produces oranges, is it still an apple tree? No it's an orange tree ("by their fruit ye shall know them"), simply because a true apple tree produces apples... Likewise a christian wouldn't bring injury to his fellow man, doing so would be AGAINST Christian principles.

Where has Christ ordered his followers to destroy temples of different religions?

[FatAndFaithless]

Here's the point, Christian "ideology" requires that you express love toward your fellow man.*

*Terms and Conditions Apply, void where inconvenient.

[downbeatplumb]

Asinine as always. Communist dictators didn't kill in the name of atheism but in the name of their ideology which wasn't atheism but a perverted form of Marxism. You play the communist card and I raise you one Hitler, one Franco, one Mussolini, one Pavellic, one Pinochet and countless other dictators, who were christians and had in their largest parts a very good standing with religious powers and organisations.

Would it be unfair to say, they killed in the name of christianity? Of course, but if you want to play it black and white with your ignorance of history, so be it.

State atheism IS an ideology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism_and_religion

In the Marxist–Leninist interpretation of Marxist theory, developed primarily by Russian revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, religion is seen as retarding human development, and socialist states that follow a Marxist–Leninist variant are inherently atheistic. Due to this, a number of Marxist–Leninist governments in the twentieth century, such as the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, implemented rules introducing state atheism.

No atheism is part of their ideology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by a government.

Here's the point, Christian "ideology" requires that you express love toward your fellow man. Any examples of supposed Christians not living up to that standard means they are not Christians, or at best hypocrites, but you guys seem to think that is a "no true scotsman".

Is being nice an ideology or just part of the particular Christian ideology you cling to?

If an apple tree produces oranges, is it still an apple tree? No it's an orange tree ("by their fruit ye shall know them"), simply because a true apple tree produces apples... Likewise a christian wouldn't bring injury to his fellow man, doing so would be AGAINST Christian principles.

Being nice is not required to be a Christian.

Believing in the dead jew on a stick is sufficient ,or are you saying arseholes that believe in jesus as their saviour aren't Christians?
They certainly think they are Christians.

Where has Christ ordered his followers to destroy temples of different religions?

He never said he didn't like abortion either but people seem to think he implied it.

So Christians have never destroyed rival temples? or destroyed civilisations in the name of Christianity? or invaded holy lands in waves and slaughtering the people who were there? or used their religion to justify enslavement?

I could go on.

The history of Christianity is bloody, evil and has retarded civilisation for too long.

[robvalue]

Yeah but an atheist stole my bike yesterday.

[dyresand]

Here's the point, Christian "ideology" requires that you express love toward your fellow man.*

That is the biggest load of horse shit i have ever read. christians "love" everyone "equally" alright  

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Yeah but an atheist stole my bike yesterday.

He will feel bad and bring it back  

[Angrboda]

Here's the point, Christian "ideology" requires that you express love toward your fellow man.

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Views on the importance of this creed

The view that the Nicene Creed can serve as a touchstone of true Christian faith is reflected in the name "symbol of faith", which was given to it in Greek and Latin, when in those languages the word "symbol" meant a "token for identification (by comparison with a counterpart)", and which continues in use even in languages in which "symbol" no longer has that meaning.

Nope, nothing in there about requiring that you love your fellow man.



Not there, either.