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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm
(July 6, 2015 at 1:24 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And women can say what they want.
'I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet'
....You wouldn't know where that quote comes from, would you?
Definitely not from Catholic doctrine. 
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:27 pm
(July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:24 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: 'I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet'
....You wouldn't know where that quote comes from, would you?
Definitely not from Catholic doctrine.
Oh, right. That's why women have such an active leadership role in the Catholic church 
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:28 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2015 at 1:29 pm by robvalue.)
Will you women just stfu? Men are talking 
*Hides under the table*
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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(July 6, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But this is the same for both men and women. And if anything, if I felt like I was being "blackmailed" it would make me more likely to not want to believe in any of it at all.
Nuh uh.
You don't choose to believe or disbelieve, you just do. And if you believe you're going to hell if you disobey, you aren't leaving.
Religion controls women. Tells them to submit to their husbands. Makes them inferior to men. Tells them what to do or not do with their bodies, what to wear and what not to wear, how to behave and how to express and not express their sexuality. It raises them to be obedient, on pain of eternal torture.
If you really believe, you're too scared to leave. And if you're not taught to think for yourself, it's hard to disbelieve.
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:29 pm
(July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm)robvalue Wrote: If you don't mind me asking CL, if you openly abandoned your faith, what would be the repercussioms for you from others?
My parents would be worried and disappointed, but they wouldn't shun me or anything like that. They would still love me and treat me the same.
My husband would probably be the most effected by it, since he married a devout Catholic woman who shared his faith and agreed to raise the kids Catholic. He would have a very hard time dealing with it, and it would be an issue in our marriage, but I am positive he would never leave me.
Good question, btw. I had never thought about it before.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:29 pm
I wish there were more atheist women, I'm in the market for one.
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:30 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2015 at 1:31 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 6, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But this is the same for both men and women. And if anything, if I felt like I was being "blackmailed" it would make me more likely to not want to believe in any of it at all.
Nuh uh.
You don't choose to believe or disbelieve, you just do. And if you believe you're going to hell if you disobey, you aren't leaving.
Religion controls women. Tells them to submit to their husbands. Makes them inferior to men. Tells them what to do or not do with their bodies, what to wear and what not to wear, how to behave and how to express and not express their sexuality. It raises them to be obedient, on pain of eternal torture.
If you really believe, you're too scared to leave. And if you're not taught to think for yourself, it's hard to disbelieve.
None of this has ever been my experience.
(July 6, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I wish there were more atheist women, I'm in the market for one.
Haha!
Are there atheist dating sites?
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:31 pm
(July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:24 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: 'I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet'
....You wouldn't know where that quote comes from, would you?
Definitely not from Catholic doctrine.
Must've been absent that day in sunday school when the priestess said it. Or maybe I didn't tune in to the lady pope speaking.
Oh, right.
Cherry picking your scriptures, are you CL? tsk tsk
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:32 pm
(July 6, 2015 at 1:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: None of this has ever been my experience.
Right. That means it never happens. Nevermind then!
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:33 pm
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(July 6, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:16 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Also, the anonymity of the internet allows the women on your forum to be more vocal, whereas most men feel like they can say whatever they want IRL within a patriarchal institution.
I don't think so. Most Catholic women on there aren't on there to say bad stuff about Catholicism. Most of them are very devout.
And women can say what they want. The pope does not "punish" women for saying something, while being ok with men saying the same thing. ;-)
We don't need to hide behind the internet to say what we want about the Church.
You don't. I'm not talking about saying bad things on your forum. I'm taking about discussing doctrine and having opinions in general. You are extrapolating your experience to everyone else, I am saying the general experience might not reflect an unspoken 'rule' or tradition that theology has been done by men. A quick read of the NT would tell you that women aren't to have opinions about church doctrine, but are to be silent and defer to their husbands. The anonymity of the internet may overcome that.
Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:19 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: But we are also talking about the blackmail of eternal torture that is looming over everyone's head. So the stakes are believed to be much higher than an abusive relationship, and less temporal.
But this is the same for both men and women. And if anything, if I felt like I was being "blackmailed" it would make me more likely to not want to believe in any of it at all.
That's the Stockholm syndrome we're speaking of. If believe in me or suffer eternal torture isn't blackmail, I don't know what is.
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