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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 15, 2015 at 5:25 am
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It's all a matter of perspective. We are talking about people, who worship genocidal maniacs, like Moses. I'll bet many of the thousands of Midianite women and male children would have considered slavery a reasonable alternative to being slaughtered like cattle...
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 15, 2015 at 10:00 am
(August 14, 2015 at 4:58 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Why do religionists refuse to condemn slavery? I hate arguments like "it was normal back then", "everyone else was doing it" or "so-and-so put rules in place to make sure slaves were well treated". Why can't they just admit the author(s) of their religious text(s) were influenced by moral relativism? Why is it so hard for so many people to say that slavery is wrong?
It is hard for Christians because they would then be saying the Bible is wrong, or God is immoral. They do not want to say either of those, so they say some nonsense trying to defend slavery, since God of the Bible is all for it.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 15, 2015 at 10:27 am
It's the main problem with claiming your god is perfect, all powerful, and all knowing. It makes the flaws even more glaring. If it was someone like Zeus, you could just say he was being a dick, and move on. Because the Olympians are basically powerful Humans. Not that Yahweh is really any different, but he and his followers claim he's perfect, so stuff like this can't be ignored so easily.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 15, 2015 at 10:28 am
Minimalist Wrote:Because they are assholes.
That's your answer to everything, Min.
But.. He's absolutely right . If there's anything I've learned these last few months thanks to Donald Trumps hair-- it's that at least 54% of Christian Americans are still racist.
Cognative dissonance my ass, they want things to be like they were in the 'good ol days'. People have an inherent competitive spirit I believe , which is the drive of racism. When it comes down to it, the god of the bible is unrealistic if he will flood the whole earth of evil doers for unspecified evil doing, but all of a sudden 'go with the times' regarding slavery. I think the answer to your question is that those people are racists at their core. Racists or uneducated hypocrites who haven't thought their position through.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 15, 2015 at 10:43 am
(August 15, 2015 at 5:14 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (August 14, 2015 at 10:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: What's wrong is it's fucking heresy. God damn it, we otta be holding these Christer shits feet to the fire. Facilitating their fucking cherry picking of scripture is keeping them from taking that final step towards honesty and realizing all their fucking godshit is precisely that.
I'm not sure what you mean. Slavery isn't heretical (not biblically, at least).
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What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
Admitting slavery is wrong is heretical. The bible acknowledges the practice. That today's scripture cherry picking Christer wants to have things both ways should be no surprise. They wouldn't have slaves, find the practice abhorrent, but they can't appear to criticize God for fucking up on the subject either.
They have another option, get their fucking asses out the pews.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 16, 2015 at 2:45 am
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The problem, as always, is the preconception.
"The bible must be right. So there must be a way to justify the things it says. A rationalization must be possible."
No. You're trying to draw a line between two dots on pieces of paper which don't overlap. Exclaiming that they must be on the same piece of paper, or that the part of your line across the tabletop isn't there, doesn't make it so.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 16, 2015 at 10:10 am
What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
Christianity has been around 2000 years m/l, Lincoln's emancipation proclamation is less than 200 years ago. I'm thinking the christers are hedging their bets a bit, just in case.
I think the hinky way the Mormons undid their anti-black doctrine was for similar reasons.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 16, 2015 at 10:16 am
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(August 14, 2015 at 4:58 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Why do religionists refuse to condemn slavery? I hate arguments like "it was normal back then", "everyone else was doing it" or "so-and-so put rules in place to make sure slaves were well treated". Why can't they just admit the author(s) of their religious text(s) were influenced by moral relativism? Why is it so hard for so many people to say that slavery is wrong?
Because if they did, they would also have to admit that their Gaud was wrong to regulate and condone an inhumane and immoral practice instead of abolishing it outright during ancient times, and that the Wholly Babble is not inerrant nor is it an absolute source of objective morality. Basically, it would fuck their beliefs to pieces.
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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 16, 2015 at 10:19 am
Like that's a bad thing.
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RE: What is with refusing to admit slavery is wrong?
August 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm
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If all slavery is wrong we are all in trouble, because modern life would not be possible if not for active modern slaves.
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