What's the most face-palm-worthy statement you have ever heard from a priest/preacher

[Thumpalumpacus]

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Parkers-

I'm going to ask you one time, straight up: Do you acknowledge that the rate of pedophilia within the Catholic priesthood is lower than in the general population?

Yes or no?

According to you, it is. I haven't looked at numbers from an unbiased source like the FBI. And in speaking with you, directly, I don't give a shit about other numbers. We are here discussing your religious faith. Those other numbers are absolutely irrelevant to the question, "Why does Randy follow an alleged moral authority that behaves in such a profoundly immoral manner?"

Once you understand that, you'll quit this childish reasoning of yours and really start to get somewhere.

Also, it's a shame you completely ignored the points I raised. Par for the course with you, I suppose. <sigh> Go back and read my post -- it's clear you didn't even bother -- go read it and let's see your answer to my questions, instead of this continual dodging; you only make yourself look bad behaving this way.

What I'm NOT going to listen to is a bunch of ignorant fools blathering on about the Catholic Church and besmirching the good reputation of the 99% of our priests who have not been involved in these crimes.

Then why are you still here? It's not like you've raised the level of discourse.

And if you want to see a fool, go look in the mirror. The guy there gives money to a church which shelters molesters, and still thinks of himself as having the moral high ground here. We're not besmirching your precious church. The church's hierarchy did that when they actively chose to shelter perverts and criminals, and indeed abetted them in further depredations by not telling the new dioceses what happened in the old ones -- the church dragged its own moral superiority right through the mud, and you're so purblind as to complain about atheists on a website?! You still give your money to an organization which actively fights attempts at seeking justice in these cases.

Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

YOU however, want to say that the entire institution is somehow guilty of pedophilia. That's 1.2 billion people.

No one is saying that. Quit being dishonest.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Also, LemonVariable linked to this in another thread, but it seems appropriate to pull out the pertinent paragraph:

The diocese needs to raise $18 million to cover a $15-million settlement reached last August with victims of sexual abuse by priests dating back to 1950. Another $3 million is needed for claims by six other people.

The settlement with abuse victims was negotiated by Raymond Lahey, the former bishop of the diocese of Antigonish. He has since been charged with possessing child pornography.

The landmark deal was hailed as the first time the Roman Catholic Church apologized and set up a compensation package for people who claimed they were sexually abused by priests, without fighting the charges in court.

Disgusting. They're praised because they didn't deny, lie, and try to impoverish their victims through legal fees?

[drfuzzy]

Wow, when I started this thread, I was hoping it would be FUN.                

[Lemonvariable72]

Also, LemonVariable linked to this in another thread, but it seems appropriate to pull out the pertinent paragraph:

The diocese needs to raise $18 million to cover a $15-million settlement reached last August with victims of sexual abuse by priests dating back to 1950. Another $3 million is needed for claims by six other people.

The settlement with abuse victims was negotiated by Raymond Lahey, the former bishop of the diocese of Antigonish. He has since been charged with possessing child pornography.

The landmark deal was hailed as the first time the Roman Catholic Church apologized and set up a compensation package for people who claimed they were sexually abused by priests, without fighting the charges in court.

Disgusting. They're praised because they didn't deny, lie, and try to impoverish their victims through legal fees?

Baby steps Parker, baby steps

[TubbyTubby]

The fairy tale says that Jesus was circumcised when he was eight days.  So the guy that did it sucked him off in accordance with the ritual.

I have to ask...do you have any idea how a circumcision is performed? For real?

You are one fucked up individual. Take yourself off to a forum where you'll be taken seriously, ie a bunch of likeminded delusionals. Dickhead.

[Randy Carson]

Parkers-

I'm going to ask you one time, straight up: Do you acknowledge that the rate of pedophilia within the Catholic priesthood is lower than in the general population?

Yes or no?

According to you, it is. I haven't looked at numbers from an unbiased source like the FBI. And in speaking with you, directly, I don't give a shit about other numbers. We are here discussing your religious faith. Those other numbers are absolutely irrelevant to the question, "Why does Randy follow an alleged moral authority that behaves in such a profoundly immoral manner?"

What an amazingly STUPID argument. Really.

I don't follow an immoral authority...I follow Christ. The fact that some of the leaders of the Church are OMG human and tempted to sin means what? That they're human and tempted to sin?

Who isn't?

No, what this is REALLY about is that you hate like hell that the Catholic Church is LESS guilty than other institutions made up of sinful humans. 'Cause you really, REALLY want something - anything - to use as a weapon against God and His Church.

[Randy Carson]

I have to ask...do you have any idea how a circumcision is performed? For real?

You are one fucked up individual. Take yourself off to a forum where you'll be taken seriously, ie a bunch of likeminded delusionals. Dickhead.

I could easily enough and the respect I've earned there is justified.

But I'm here to learn. And sadly, I'm obviously absorbing a whole lot more from this interaction than anyone else. And that's okay. I'm getting the education I came here for.

[Faith No More]

Wow, when I started this thread, I was hoping it would be FUN.                

Fundamentalists like Randy suck the fun out of everything.

[Ravenshire]

Not at all. Many here have told you they abhor child rapists wherever they occur but that what makes it extra specially bad when a priest does it is that he's presented to the world as a paragon of morality and then protected by the same church [emphasis added] that projects that moral authority.

Defending the organization [emphasis added] that protects them.

Your straw man here is fucking ridiculous. I've never considered every single cathy-lick guilty by association nor have I made that accusation, even by implication. Only the ones perpetuating the crimes and the cover-ups and the cover-ups have gone all the way to the top under some of the popes.

Specifics, please. What crimes and what popes are you referring to?

Seriously Randy. Your turn. Show me the post where I accused every single cathy-lick in the world of collusion or drop your straw-man.

I have highlighted two places above where you refer to "the...church" and "the organization".

Who is the "Church", SoW? Who is "the organization"?

The pope, bishops and priests? That's incorrect. The Church is the people of God. All of us Christians and, in this context, ALL of us Catholics. Not just the leaders. So when you accuse the church or the organization, you accuse everyone who is a member of protecting, aiding and abetting.

Maybe you did this in error, but if you have an issue with individuals in the Church, say so. And if you have an issue with individual members of the hierarchy of the Church, fine, say that. In the passages above, you named ALL Catholics when you named "the Church".

Could you possibly be more pig ignorant? If you can't tell who I'm accusing by my context then you really are as stupid as some people here think.

Go ahead and conflate the congregation with the officers of the church. Everyone here will see it as the intellectual dishonesty we've come to expect from you.

[Jenny A]

It's in the Bible.  Paul did some but he didn't like the sucking part so that's why Christian males don't have to get circumcised.  Imagine some weird guy sucking on baby Jesus!

You're drunk, right? Stoned? What?

He means metzitzah b'ph or oral suction circumcision.  What it means is that after cutting away the foreskin the rabbi or other person performing the circumcision put the penis in his mouth and sucks away the blood.   And yes it was most likely done that way to Jesus given his time, place and nationality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah It was standard practice for Talmudic Jews, but has since become controversial and uncommon.  http://www.emohel.com/lifeordeath.php  Hasidic Jews still practice it though.