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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 4:11 pm
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(November 11, 2015 at 3:14 pm)Drich Wrote: Only those who want more than they have would fall into the "Inevitable" in that senerio.
who created adam and eve and lucifer to want more than they have ? bible god couldve created them to not be curious and not have the interest in even doing that or are you saying that he was shocked that it happened and never saw it coming ?
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 4:15 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 12:56 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: jesus teachings of turning the other cheek and loving your enemies is much much different than bible gods attitude in the old testament ordering people to kill their enemies you must not know much about the massacres and atrocities god ordered people to do to their enemies in the OT
Those were God's enemies. The Law of moses allowed an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. In essence one could not go beyond the severity of the wrong commited against you. It was a upper limit, the option was to forgive. This is what Jesus pushed rather than take full avantage of what the law would allow. Nothing change, Jesus simply wanted people to look at it the other way.
exactly jesus/god and ot god were very very very different in their approaches to enemies , OT god was for destruction jesus-god was all about forgiving them (could they be more different?)
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 4:49 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Those were God's enemies.
Then why didn't your fucking god smite them?
He did with the Jews...
God used the Jews so that people would fear them and would leave them alone for fear of not only their God but the very real danger of their army even if they did not believe in their God.
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 4:11 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 3:14 pm)Drich Wrote: Only those who want more than they have would fall into the "Inevitable" in that senerio.
who created adam and eve and lucifer to want more than they have ? bible god couldve created them to not be curious and not have the interest in even doing that or are you saying he was shocked that it happen and never seem it coming ?
No. I'm saying that wanting more in of itself is not a bad thing. I'm saying if one did not want more their would be no choice/sin in the world. Again youre the one who thinks sin is the end of the world, that sin is something God can not get past. He 'got Past sin a very long time ago, only leaving us with the Choice of eternity, and which side to stand on it. With Him or apart from Him.
Again all of this is about choice. He sent His son to die so that we may be able to be in sin and still choose to be with Him or to embrace our sin and let evil consume us.
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 4:57 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 4:15 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Drich Wrote: Those were God's enemies. The Law of moses allowed an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. In essence one could not go beyond the severity of the wrong commited against you. It was a upper limit, the option was to forgive. This is what Jesus pushed rather than take full avantage of what the law would allow. Nothing change, Jesus simply wanted people to look at it the other way.
exactly jesus/god and ot god were very very very different in their approaches to enemies , OT god was for destruction jesus-god was all about forgiving them (could they be more different?) Jesus was 'destroyed' so we wouldn't have to be. God the Father is the same. and requires the same destruction of sin/sinner, now as he did then. However Jesus/God was destroyed in our place so no further destruction was or ever will be needed. So what does Jesus want in return? To those who believe end the destruction. God the Father's 'destruction' will be unleashed not in this life but the next.
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 5:48 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 3:42 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Ah but... *sips JD and coke*... "God is love".
Check-mate. Boo-yah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktBEPpGhU
Actually God is Agape'
Don't be silly. God can't be shocked. Hes omnipotent.
Game, set and match.
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 6:03 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 4:11 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: who created adam and eve and lucifer to want more than they have ? bible god couldve created them to not be curious and not have the interest in even doing that or are you saying he was shocked that it happen and never seem it coming ?
No. I'm saying that wanting more in of itself is not a bad thing. I'm saying if one did not want more their would be no choice/sin in the world. Again youre the one who thinks sin is the end of the world, that sin is something God can not get past. He 'got Past sin a very long time ago, only leaving us with the Choice of eternity, and which side to stand on it. With Him or apart from Him.
Again all of this is about choice. He sent His son to die so that we may be able to be in sin and still choose to be with Him or to embrace our sin and let evil consume us.
well sin might not be 'the end of the world' but according to christian theory sin can land a person in eternal damnation and torture in hell for eternity that indicates to me something that bible god 'cannot get past' , we are all just being the humans that we naturally are that god created us to be so if its anyones fault its bible gods fault that everyone is sinning . but you have yet to show that any of this is even true and not just one big fairy tale so i have no idea why im even arguing about something yet to be shown to be true in the first place .
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 6:15 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 4:57 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 4:15 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: exactly jesus/god and ot god were very very very different in their approaches to enemies , OT god was for destruction jesus-god was all about forgiving them (could they be more different?) Jesus was 'destroyed' so we wouldn't have to be. God the Father is the same. and requires the same destruction of sin/sinner, now as he did then. However Jesus/God was destroyed in our place so no further destruction was or ever will be needed. So what does Jesus want in return? To those who believe end the destruction. God the Father's 'destruction' will be unleashed not in this life but the next.
jesus didnt preach destruction jesus preached love and turning the other cheek to enemies the opposite of the ot god . if the made up god in your made up book was real why should anyone worship this god if he is all about destruction and unfairness such as punishing innocent people for the crimes of a few of them like he does endlessly in the ot ?
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 6:18 pm
Quote:He did with the Jews...
The Romans didn't need any help. Clearly, "Jupiter" was up to the job.
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
November 11, 2015 at 7:17 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 9:59 am)Drich Wrote: (November 9, 2015 at 4:08 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: if God didnt want us to sin and we will burn in hell for eternity for sinning then why did God create sin in the first place and create us to enjoy sinning ? We don't all burn in Hell for sin. None are without sin, meaning the our population of Heaven will be all Sinners. The people who will be sent to Hell are unrepentant in their sin. That's an important distinction. The population of Heaven and hell will have people who have commited the act same acts all their lives. The only difference the population of Hell turned from God and the atonement He offers.
Quote:so the god of your bible created evil put his innocent creations in a world he allowed to be corrupted by evil and allowed the people to be deceived by evil and sin and then is going to judge them for sinning and being decieved by the evil that he put here ...
ok go on 
Maybe read Genesis 1..God did not create an Evil world nor did he put man into one. We welcomed it with open arms. What was done in the garden is repeated in each and every one of our lives. Meaning we (according to Paul/Romans 1-2) select Evil or decide to repent of our sin
I bolded a portion of jenny's post for emphasis, because in my mind, it's a million dollar question...because therein lies the ruse, the shakedown and the straight-up con that theists desperately attempt to gloss over or avoid altogether: The Biblical God made mankind sick, by willfully cursing all of humanity with a sinful nature. A sinful nature so pervasive and foul, that not even a newborn infant can escape its filthy stench.
The God character didn't have to do this. He wanted to and He chose to. God created the the mechanism for humans to have the capacity, tendency, drive, desire, and inherent longing to do dirty, dirty things. And then provides a way for us to be and clean. Wasn't that swell of Him? How fucking magnanimous of Him, to allow to us to participate in what can only be defined as a protection racket.
The Biblical concept of sin is so ridiculously stupid, that it's obviously made-up, as far as I'm concerned. If it were somehow proven to be true, is there any reason to wonder why non-believers wouldn't be lining up to worship a mob boss?
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