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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 7:35 am
(November 13, 2015 at 11:48 am)orangebox21 Wrote: (November 13, 2015 at 7:01 am)miaharun Wrote: Hi All, I just want to know how one can love something intangible more than someone you can intellectually discern. How is it possible? People do this all the time in other contexts. Some people love the "sense of reward" [an intangible entity] of their job more than their families.
(November 13, 2015 at 7:01 am)miaharun Wrote: How can you get married knowing you love a imaginary friend more?
You've now equivocated, defining 'imaginary' the same as 'intangible.'
(November 13, 2015 at 7:01 am)miaharun Wrote: How can a relationship with this friend (again intangible) can impact ones life more than what a real person can offer you? Again you've equivocated, defining something that is 'intangible' as 'imaginary'.
(November 13, 2015 at 7:01 am)miaharun Wrote: Like love and intimacy . I just fail to see why the vast majority of people on this planet continue to do this. If you are defining God as imaginary (God is intangible and intangible entities are imaginary) then it is understandable why you can't understand why a person would choose to love God more than a spouse. By your own standard you would also then have to ask the question: how can a person love in the first place, how is that possible? After all love is an intangible entity and therefore imaginary. I think you need to refresh your understanding of what equivocation means.
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Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 7:52 am
(November 14, 2015 at 7:17 am)robvalue Wrote: The language "always" and "compulsory" shows that you are painting with too broad a brush. Perhaps "usually" and "common" would be better words?
In England especially, we have paper Christians, some of whom are Catholic, who don't particularly do anything their church normally does. But you don't get to tell them they're not Christians.
You've got an atheist defending religion again. Are we in the twilight zone?
I apologize. Your correct. Usually and common are indeed better words in that sentence :-)
Not everyone is that religious I know. However most that I know are very religious so I had to use those words.
Sir your an atheist , the major difference (which I think) between you and me is that I believe in karma and rebirth where as you don't. In fact Buddhists are like peaceful atheists in some level. No God, you think for yourself , responsible for your own actions etc
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 8:20 am
That's okay  It's easily done.
I'm quite happy to say that on paper, Buddhism sounds more appealing than the abrahamic faiths. Whether that leads to any significant difference in actual behaviour, I wouldn't be able to say without a thorough study being done.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 9:28 am
I love Deadpool more than my family.
Its not that far-fetched.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 9:48 am
The problem with this Jesus idea is that it's unbalanced. Again. If you have a shitty family, it's a piece of cake to love something else more.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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(November 14, 2015 at 6:46 am)miaharun Wrote: I think it is because religion supports violence.
Oh, you mean things like "the girl deserved to be raped"? Agreed. This thread is turning into a "my bullshit is better than their bullshit" joke. Need I remind you that there are buddhist war criminals, and buddhist suicide bombers in addition to the normal rank and file criminals, thugs, and theives? Pol Pot was a buddhist, ffs. Peaceful atheists my ass.
Look, if buddhism is what's keeping you from skull-fucking babies and pushing old women into the street, then fine. I hope you never lose your faith. I say the same thing to the christians when they mount this very same argument.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 3:40 pm
I have found the most impactful way to present this question is like this:
While holding their brand new baby child in their arms, Christians must and do believe that their little baby's default state is that of deserving eternal torture.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 4:31 pm
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(November 13, 2015 at 7:01 am)miaharun Wrote: Hi All, I just want to know how one can love something intangible more than someone you can intellectually discern. How is it possible? How can you get married knowing you love a imaginary friend more? How can a relationship with this friend (again intangible) can impact ones life more than what a real person can offer you ? Like love and intimacy . I just fail to see why the vast majority of people on this planet continue to do this.
It is hard to explain, but the way I understand it is this - loving God is supposed to mean loving goodness and love, and putting that above all else. So we say we love God by loving our neighbor, by doing good for others, etc. "Loving God" is not really like how we love another person.
At least that is how it has been explained to me and how I understand it, so I cannot speak for those who think differently.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 14, 2015 at 4:34 pm
Cath! *hug* Haven't seen you.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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November 15, 2015 at 12:28 am
(November 14, 2015 at 3:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (November 14, 2015 at 6:46 am)miaharun Wrote: I think it is because religion supports violence.
Oh, you mean things like "the girl deserved to be raped"? Agreed. This thread is turning into a "my bullshit is better than their bullshit" joke. Need I remind you that there are buddhist war criminals, and buddhist suicide bombers in addition to the normal rank and file criminals, thugs, and theives? Pol Pot was a buddhist, ffs. Peaceful atheists my ass.
Look, if buddhism is what's keeping you from skull-fucking babies and pushing old women into the street, then fine. I hope you never lose your faith. I say the same thing to the christians when they mount this very same argument.
"The doctrines of most religions that tend to be used to overtly justify violence - evangelism, jihadist or crusade-like language, Gods overtly calling for murder, physical punishment, slaughter, and even genocide, etc. - are all absent from Buddhist doctrine"
I'm not familiar with Pol Pots story however if he was a practicing Buddhist he is violating the very first precept (killing is wrong).
Good sir , with regards to the rape matter, no one will say that the girl deserved what they got. No one will be happy about it. To explain why it happened to that girl instead of the girl next door I used Karma. You would call it "chance" "coincidence" , I call it Karma. Is that violence ?
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