Why do the ritors ask for Justice?

[Homeless Nutter]

[...]Now you know exactly why I admire the Asians, they are charming, industrious and show humility. Others should take a leaf out of their book.

And they don't have those scary, big, black penises, so they're not as intimidating to the average insecure whitey - amirite? Yeah, this guy gets it...

[Drich]

LOL, Dripsh*t - here's a novel idea: read the page you're linking to, in order to make sure it supports your claims.  

It doesn't say anywhere on that wikipedia page, that Johnson was the first slave owner in North America, you racist twit. It says:

But of course - you'll believe anything that suits your idiotic views, won't you, Drippy?

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html

We are bombarded every day to stop the generalisations about black people because it is considered racist, yet at the same time, blacks love to generalise about white europeans which is somehow justified. Again, culturally speaking, you have to ask yourself as to the reason why blacks are arrested more often than any other demographic. I mean, culturally, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, native American Indians and Mexicans seem to have a lower rate of arrest compared to blacks. Ask yourself why. As for the term "white guilt", I don't think anyone suffers from it at all apart from sjws. To not put a too finer point on it, you ask a black American to make a choice between racist police and the United States or Africa, he will choose the USA each time because he doesn't identify himself as African i.e. poor, living in tribes, eating very little, traditional medicine, language and religions. In the land of the free, there is everything they ever want. Perhaps if they gave something back to American society, then people might look differently.

Like this guy for example, of someone who was poor, had little understanding of the English language and was like a fish out of water:

In 1968, Cho immigrated to the United States and settled in Chicago. He spoke very little English, and the only thing he knew about the city was the name of its onetime gangster king, Al Capone. He didn’t know much more about the rest of the country, either. But he learned quickly. After a year, he moved to South Bend, Indiana, then Milwaukee, then New York City, usually working during the day and teaching tae kwon do in the evening before spending the night at the studio. Finally, in Providence, Rhode Island, he opened a small tae kwon do school and used the last of his meager savings to take out a small ad in the local paper. A couple of days later, he had fifty students. He never looked back. Within just a few years, Cho had opened eight schools throughout New England.

https://www.aimaa.com/about_gmcho.htm

He could have just got a job but no, he gave something back to American society from his culture; Tae Kwon-Do. He didn't have to, and then many decades later, he has thousands of students, many hundreds of schools and he is richer culturally and is a top bloke, since I met him once in England.

My family immigrated here and i watch my uncles who spoke no English work themselves into their own businesses In a time where people like them were hated as much if not more than black people, and i have done the same. If you are born here and are a failure then look no further than your mirror for the cause. There is NO excuse. Lack of education is a copout.

 There are a series of attributes that guarantees success no matter what your level of education. But losers don't want to hear it. It is hard work, determination, persistence.

What an 'education' does is shows that a person can exhibit those three qualities. However an education alone does not ensure success. That is why there are so many educated people who can find a job. The reason education is touted as the magic cure all is because it is a trillion dollar industry, and the government can use this as a point to raise taxes. verse 0 $ that can be spent on teaching people how to be truly successful.

[downbeatplumb]

here's a novel idea sport maybe before you correct someone make sure they need to be corrected

Well slaves had been in America for about two hundred years by the 17th Century so before you chide people for saying that they corrected you incorrectly please make sure that you don't need correcting. Your selective reading of the sentence shows either an inability to comprehend simple English or a desire to confuse with lies. Either or, there is no you winning the argument.

[RobertE]

Just one hypothetical question on a realistic event. In 2005, a police car was chasing two youths in Paris. They were riding without helmets and making general fools of themselves. They tried to hide inside an electrical substation where they were both electrocuted. For me, I do not think the police were at fault since they were only doing their job in trying to catch the offenders. If they cannot read or understand that electricity kills, then either education has failed them, or it could be simply that they couldn't be bothered to turn up. Either way, when the word "danger", is in 1 foot high capitals, it means that it is a dangerous place. Now, during the next 3 weeks, over 10,000 cars were burnt throughout France, many schools were burnt down, many people lost their livelihoods, and in the 93 area of France, there were gangs of 10-15 year old kids who were throwing rocks at the police at midnight on a school night. Please tell me that there was NOT one single parent to tell them to get back indoors?

Anyway, the question to you all would be this. Your car has been torched, your business has been burnt down to the ground and your child can no longer go to school because the school has been burnt down. Would you want to side with the police to get those who have burnt your car, your business and stopped your child from being educated, or would you want to be behind those who have no respect for the law?

I know who I would choose any day of the week. I want to be able to walk in the streets without being mugged, I want my daughters to walk around in safety, I want my friends to be able to go out when they want in Paris without being in constant fear, and for that alone, we need the police.

[Drich]

Again,A cop's primary goal is to feel safe and have control over a situation FIRST. This is His primary goal as yours would be in a similar situation, then matters of law and constitutional rights come into play.

Or when you have been scarred awake in the middle of the night and you know for certain someone is in your house...

Then show me concern for the constitutional rights of the B-hole who broke into your house and is looking to do you and yours harm. Where would you f the police attitude be then?

-Or better yet, There is more than likely a chance that the cops in your community have an unwritten list of homes/people who lets say get somewhat less attention or less response time to their homes/communities, than say a 911 call from a fellow officer's house, and at your home at the same time, someone on that list may have to wait out their situation a little longer than the officer's family would have to wait. So PM me your info, and let me see if I can get your name added to that list...

After all if you want to F-the police, then be ready bend over and take a turn in the barrel, be ready to reap the consequence of your philosophy.

Or are you just reciting lyrics from the 90s?

Drich,

You're incredibly stupid. Are you seriously making the argument that cops protect citizens from a home invader that's already inside the home? In what universe do you reside that people go to bed and station a cop on their sofa to monitor doors and windows? This is the only conceivable way a cop can do anything to protect me from home invasion. The police arrive after the fact to tape off the property and watch others clean up the mess.

Where in the fuck do you get the notion that my natural rights and those enumerated in our Constitution come after cops feeling safe? You're fucked in the head. Perhaps you don't understand what inalienable means. The police exist to protect my rights, not suspend or violate them. You and your ilk are a huge part of the problem.

If these secret lists exist as you suggest, which I seriously doubt, then fuck 'em even more.

....You've missed the point by so much  I don't even care anymore...

[Drich]

RobertE what is your obsession with Asians? You have this weird love of the model minority myth...Dude seriously....

Asians are very industrious people, and destroyes the propaganda concerning underprivileged minorities.

[Drich]

The reason I ask is because to me it seems as if the oppsite is what is desired. Before you drag out your soap box lets look at what the actual defination of justice is.

justice
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noun jus·tice \ˈjəs-təs\
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• : the process or result of using laws to fairly judge and punish crimes and criminals
  

Now note the definition does not presuppose an out come. Justice is essence is simply the process in which one is impartially judged. To impartially judge someone mean to forgo any assumptions of guilt or innocence and base a judgement solely on the evidence and how it relates to law.

What the rioters want is a predetermined outcome, not the due process of law that one is to be judge in. But again that is what true justice is. the fair processing or judgement of one's action in accordance to how our laws/moral codes are written. Justice is not an automatic verdict.

An automatic verdict of Guilt is the only answer the rioters want. This is not justice, this is vengeance. So then why do they not 'call a club a club' and shout no vengeance, no peace? Or use 'vengeance' as a way to legitimizing hunting down cops and ambushing them? Why hide behind the word 'justice?' Is it because most people are so stupid as to not see the definition of vengeance and been tagged onto the word justice?

The KKK used the words justice and morality to justify their actions, so then what is the difference here?

We have a race centered group of people putting it's collective interest above that of all other people/races in said community, citing 'justice' as the reason the have for morally operating above/outside the law.

My opinion of this main post is basically that you're using the definition of justice quite narrowly.

No, I'm using the word in accordance to how it is defined. This maybe the ass-burgers talking but to me if you use a word in a certain context then stand behind the word you used.

You're not an alien from star trek visiting here and you know what the rioters mean when they say they want justice.  

Yes, they want vengence.
As again justice is a process, and takes time. Not enough time has elapsed for justice or the lack there of to be determined, yet we have riots. The chant by demonstrators is "no justice no peace" which usally spirals out of control into a riot and looting. The media then works to legitmize or excuse the riot for the lack of their brand of justice/vengence.

They want us to forgo the judicial system and execute a cop for killing a black people who in the majority of the cases had commited a crime, was being arrested for outstanding warrant, or would have been arrested for some illegal thing they would have been caught with.

They mean they think the law is unfair and want it to be fair.

Again no. That is the narritive. What is wanted is vengence. to not be held account to white laws and white due process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs6vSIOh7Sk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Qmoiugz7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFguwBCJUU

If this is about being fair or being treated fairly, then WTF does killing white people (general population) have to do with how they are treated?

What these people want (BLM) is death to the majority of the population or to subjugate it. This has nothing to do with fairness it has to do with domination.

Some don't, some just need a slight excuse to take their shirts off and go around screaming and looting.

Again, look at the videos, these are not random acts, but quarantined cacluated calls and responses. a segment of the population is looking to secede from this nations laws and liberties by declaring war/calling for the deaths of law enforcement and white people. "We be out like the Taliban." Independence is what the leadership of this group wants. The rights to make their own laws and answer to their own hierarchy, and furthermore they want even the nations police officers to answer to their rule of law, their morals.

Personally I have mixed feelings towards these police officers who have killed black people, sometimes I think it's understandable why the killing happened, sometimes I think it's totally not understandable.  Sometimes there's just not enough info to even make a choice.

Indeed. for me Sometimes there is not enough evidence... That's the thing though.. It's not about evidence, intent, or honest guilt or innocence. it is about punishing this society for infringing upon a sub culture's morals and rule of law. Which again are all attributes of vengeance and not justice.

[Drich]

Can you show me where one of the MEN killed by cops was "innocent?" Meaning they did not have a warrant out or had just committed a crime that force THEM to escalate the situation??

Last one was a pastor. Black. Unarmed. No warrant out. Maybe you know something I don't know. So I'm waiting for details why this one wasn't innocent. Unless death for suspecting him to break the law in some way is an apt punishment in your eyes. Before that they shot a social worker, protecting one of his wards sitting in the streets. Luckily survived the incident, but since they don't shoot innocents, I'm waiting for details why this one wasn't innocent also.

Link?!?!? Do you mean the NC guy who cops said he had a gun? but family said he had a book?

[Drich]

 the Aurora theater shooter gets taken in alive, yet the black kid with the fake gun gets gunned down. The black guy with his hands up gets shot. And so on.

The aurora shooter was taken in alive according to wikipedia because the police actually mistook him for a police officer at first, he was calm and I don't think he resisted arrest.

I don't know which black kid with the fake gun you're talking about though.

Tamir Rice

[RobertE]

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html

We are bombarded every day to stop the generalisations about black people because it is considered racist, yet at the same time, blacks love to generalise about white europeans which is somehow justified. Again, culturally speaking, you have to ask yourself as to the reason why blacks are arrested more often than any other demographic. I mean, culturally, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, native American Indians and Mexicans seem to have a lower rate of arrest compared to blacks. Ask yourself why. As for the term "white guilt", I don't think anyone suffers from it at all apart from sjws. To not put a too finer point on it, you ask a black American to make a choice between racist police and the United States or Africa, he will choose the USA each time because he doesn't identify himself as African i.e. poor, living in tribes, eating very little, traditional medicine, language and religions. In the land of the free, there is everything they ever want. Perhaps if they gave something back to American society, then people might look differently.

Like this guy for example, of someone who was poor, had little understanding of the English language and was like a fish out of water:


https://www.aimaa.com/about_gmcho.htm

He could have just got a job but no, he gave something back to American society from his culture; Tae Kwon-Do. He didn't have to, and then many decades later, he has thousands of students, many hundreds of schools and he is richer culturally and is a top bloke, since I met him once in England.

My family immigrated here and i watch my uncles who spoke no English work themselves into their own businesses In a time where people like them were hated as much if not more than black people, and i have done the same. If you are born here and are a failure then look no further than your mirror for the cause. There is NO excuse. Lack of education is a copout.

 There are a series of attributes that guarantees success no matter what your level of education. But losers don't want to hear it. It is hard work, determination, persistence.

What an 'education' does is shows that a person can exhibit those three qualities. However an education alone does not ensure success. That is why there are so many educated people who can find a job. The reason education is touted as the magic cure all is because it is a trillion dollar industry, and the government can use this as a point to raise taxes. verse 0 $ that can be spent on teaching people how to be truly successful.

Congratulations to your Uncles and I am guessing they are either German or Italian? 
Bold is mine.

Failure can only be achieved if the parent or parents don't care about their childrens welfare and education, or the child himself doesn't want to learn. The education system does all it can do, with the resources it has, and parents need to be behind their children to give them moral support and help if needed. If a parent doesn't want to help or cannot help, this is not the fault of the system, it is the fault of the parents because they either couldn't be bothered and played truant, or they had parents who weren't educated. In that case, the onus was on them making the effort to understand the school work.

When I went to France, my French was limited to saying hello, thank you and goodbye. After only 7 months study, I succeeded in being as fluent as someone who had taken a 4 year French degree. It is all about responsibility and I had two daughters and I needed to be able to communicate with them in French (speaking to them in English would have been a cop out for me) so, I did all the hard work, and it paid off. Since I came back to France in 2009, I have had 5 promotions in a French-speaking enterprise, where the French hate the English, but if you work hard enough, show your motivation, it pays off. In fact, I earn almost double that of French speaking natives. So, hard work does pay and I thank the Asian culture and my parents for showing me that it pays to work hard. If you want something, you work and buy, not steal.

RobertE what is your obsession with Asians? You have this weird love of the model minority myth...Dude seriously....

Asians are very industrious people, and destroyes the propaganda concerning underprivileged minorities.

Indeed, this graphic for a test that takes place every 3 years speaks volumes. Not only that, but look at the countries in the West, with the UK/USA well below the mean average, especially with the USA, which is below the mean average on all three tests.