Why do the ritors ask for Justice?

[Aegon]

How in the fuck does the government maintaining separation of church and state by taking a phrase out of the pledge impeding on your free exercise of religion? How in the fuck does it restrict how anyone practices Christianity?

hey, moron!

If clinton says it is illegal for churchs to preach against abortion/Thou shalt not kill babies to their own congregations, then that is the state making laws concerning the church!

THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT!!!

....that, uh, didn't answer my question at all. Not to mention that I have yet to see any sort of hint that Hillary would actually sign a law saying that churches can't preach against abortion (and yeah, that Fox News link didn't give me any hint either.) You're like the gun nuts who think that because Democrats want to regulate guns even a little bit it means that if they get elected they're going to ban all firearms. Ridiculous, fanatic viewpoints that make it impossible to actually have a discussion.

[Pat Mustard]

I am not in love with the idea of trump, but we have to radically change if the US is to survive the popping of this next financial bubble.

I have far more faith in a business man to lead us out of a coming depression that will make the great depression look like a dry run. than I do of someone who's pledge spending is going to break this country.

Well, you go ahead and tell me when you find a businesman then.....lol?  

Obama has literally spent more money in his term than every single president before him COMBINED! And Clinton wants more of the same...

Obamas not running for president, and Hillary has her own policies, as flawed as we may find them.  There;s no need to invent and spread hyperbole in order to object to another President Clinton.  

Trump in the first 45 mins of the debate mentioned the new bubble created by the fed by keeping the intrest rate so low. if it simply goes back to 4% our nation's debt doubbles.. the debt Obama has already doubled in his 8 years.. So what is clinton's plan "tax the rich."

Well, we do have to pay what we owe, don't we?  The money has to come from somewhere, and taxing the poor is squeezing a stone for blood, at this point.  

So again, what do the rich do when they are unfairly taxed??? They Leave. (already had this conversation) Look at democrat controlled states and cites. Vermont, Detroit, Chicago are all examples of unchecked democratic policies that have nearly collapsed these places... If the demo-craps can figure out how to run a city or state what makes you think these policies will work on a nation scale???

Yep, capital flight is a thing, the flighty rich are scumbags........we already know this?  You;re not hoping to imply that -because- the flighty rich would do the scumbag thing, we shouldn't -try- to get them to pay their way..that we have to squeeze the already crushed poor because rich douchebags gotta douche....are you?  

Not to mention the trade deals like nafta that has weakened this country to the point of perpetual poverty. I was in New Orleans this weekend and we just went by row after row of abandoned factories and warehouses.. it is sicking to see how much we as a country has lost in a once great hub of commerce.

Which isn't coming back, no matter who we elect.  We're not voting for a time machine, you realize?

4 more years of this will dig a hole so deep we wont be able to find our way out.

Yet you are willing to sell what's left of this country's core GDP money makers for a legislator who seeks enacts more godless laws.

No thanks tom hanks, I want to live in a great nation again.

What am I willing to do?  I'm not voting for either.  I;d love to live in a great nation too (course, I think I do..MURICA!)...but I thought we were discussing trump and hillary, the election...not fantasyland?

You gotta love dripshit, in order to fix the problems he faces, he's going to vote for the man who'd make those problems worse if elected.

[RobertE]

Typical grammar nazi response...

Saying that Drich doesn't understand an article and that it's not making the point he thinks it is, isn't "being a grammar nazi," it's highlighting the fact that Drich doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.  The fact that Drich can't spell is just icing on the cake, and I've been done with being civil towards him for a long time.

Read the article yourself, Robert.  Does it say that "Clinton will make being against abortion illegal"?

I am not going to read and article to prove the point of either one of you. At the end of the day; far be it for me to say, try and talk about this like adults with resorting to name-calling or being a grammar nazi. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

[FatAndFaithless]

Saying that Drich doesn't understand an article and that it's not making the point he thinks it is, isn't "being a grammar nazi," it's highlighting the fact that Drich doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.  The fact that Drich can't spell is just icing on the cake, and I've been done with being civil towards him for a long time.

Read the article yourself, Robert.  Does it say that "Clinton will make being against abortion illegal"?

I am not going to read and article to prove the point of either one of you. At the end of the day; far be it for me to say, try and talk about this like adults with resorting to name-calling or being a grammar nazi. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

Thanks for your input, I guess.  Very helpful to the conversation.

[RobertE]

I am not going to read and article to prove the point of either one of you. At the end of the day; far be it for me to say, try and talk about this like adults with resorting to name-calling or being a grammar nazi. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

Thanks for your input, I guess.  Very helpful to the conversation.

I know it was irony, but it wasn't pointed directly at you FAF. I have done my fair share of wumming and it gets a bit tiresome at the end of the day. Somehow this thread needs to get back on track without anyone being aggressive.

[Drich]

I am not in love with the idea of trump, but we have to radically change if the US is to survive the popping of this next financial bubble.

I have far more faith in a business man to lead us out of a coming depression that will make the great depression look like a dry run. than I do of someone who's pledge spending is going to break this country.

Well, you go ahead and tell me when you find a businesman then.....lol?  

Dude say what you will, but like it or not he has billions in assets.. they don't just give away skyscrapers with your name on them. No one has even come close to doing what he has done. managing billions and knowing how to kick start this country's economy should be argument enough who is tired of working themselves to death and has nothing to show for it at the end of the day. I got a taste of how a strong american ecconomy can make all of us a little better off post clinton 1 and pre 9/11 and i would like a decade or so before the liberals crap it all back up. i like most of america need to put some money in the bank before we can just start giving away what we dont have. If you've neve know a strong american ecconomy then I an understand why you would vote liberal, but if you have you'd know the 'low hanging fruit' is enough to make any 1/2 assed (just go to work at a reasonable job) american rich.

Obama has literally spent more money in his term than every single president before him COMBINED! And Clinton wants more of the same...

Obamas not running for president, and Hillary has her own policies, as flawed as we may find them.  There;s no need to invent and spread hyperbole in order to object to another President Clinton.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+...8&oe=utf-8
Even liberal are billing this as obama's 3rd term. she is changing very little.. Even his disdain for police officers.

Trump in the first 45 mins of the debate mentioned the new bubble created by the fed by keeping the intrest rate so low. if it simply goes back to 4% our nation's debt doubbles.. the debt Obama has already doubled in his 8 years.. So what is clinton's plan "tax the rich."

Well, we do have to pay what we owe, don't we?  The money has to come from somewhere, and taxing the poor is squeezing a stone for blood, at this point.  

Here's the thing.. If we doubled everyone's tax burdern and did not allow for any deductions, at our current obama deficit if we did not accrue any new debt it would take several hundred years to pay what we owe... IF WE DOUBBLED EVERYONE'S Taxes.

The only way out of this is to generate new businesses and to bring business back companies who have outsourced their labor..

The only way to do that is to eliminate these trade deals that make it cheaper to build in other countries and ship their goods here. it has to be cheaper to build it here.

If all these companies are now building here again, then that means more jobs. If we are flooded with jobs again then that means employers have to pay more.. Not as a means to artificially inflate the job market with a higher min wage, but because we increased demand for skilled labor. which again increases tax revenue. We are currently a nation in decline looking to pay an ever increasing debt. which is not possible by contributing the decline by taxing the only people who can create jobs... Look at greece, Italy the EU, this tax and spend thing has failed, and yet clinton is chasing after this pipe dream by promising more taxes and you guys are lining up for it!!!

Yep, capital flight is a thing, the flighty rich are scumbags........we already know this?  You;re not hoping to imply that -because- the flighty rich would do the scumbag thing, we shouldn't -try- to get them to pay their way..that we have to squeeze the already crushed poor because rich douchebags gotta douche....are you?  

No.. cut spending. Cut taxes. What happens in your home when you get a pay cut? do you spend more? do you apply for more credit in hopes to spend you way out of the problem?

Like I said above. You create jobs by forcing companies to bring manufacturing back here. Like trump said you lift the penalties for repatriating the funds people transferred to those swiss banks to hide it from obama. Trump claims there are hunderds of trillions of dollars being hidden around the world in different banks, for onr reason only. Governmental greed. It is cheaper for a billionare to hide his money in some off shore bank with all of their fees and taxes, than it is to have it here in our banks. Trump is purposing amnesty for those who bring back their money and invest in American banks...

This money isn't just going to sit in a vault. Banks invest via loans from homes to roads to power plants to all the infrastructure we need to 'make America great again.'

All of which generates revenue which gets TAXED...

Or they can tighten down and tax the rich more and make all of america look like detroit. (was the home to a trillion dollar industry/which all went to mexico because it just cost too much here to build a car)

Here's the thing you need to remember. the rich will not be taxed (look at trump) they have the money to find some one to help them hide it, or they have the finds to simply move.

Why do you think clinton can not define the middle class anymore? Google it It use to be a house hold who made between 75K and 250K.. She can't define the middle class because they will soon be informed that they are now apart of the upper class. a family that makes 125K collectively can't move to the caymans... but they can be made to pay a 50% income tax to pay for whatever give away is going to get her fat butt elected next go round. The truly rich.. the donald trumps/the men who she is selling to be whom she will be robbing to give to the poor will exodus this country like rats from a sinking ship. while YOU will now fund all the freebe's she has planned.

Not to mention the trade deals like nafta that has weakened this country to the point of perpetual poverty. I was in New Orleans this weekend and we just went by row after row of abandoned factories and warehouses.. it is sicking to see how much we as a country has lost in a once great hub of commerce.

Which isn't coming back, no matter who we elect.  We're not voting for a time machine, you realize?

B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S M-A-N
A business man like trump renegotiates deals.. especially unfavorable like this. Trump says mexico owes us trillions.. which is how he said he will make them build the wall.. Now lets say, he comes to us and says 'hey folks we can have mexico build the wall or we can leverage some of that revenue that mexico owes us to renegotiate nafta... which do you think we'd want more?

Now what do you think el presedente' is going to do with either a demand to pay up/get cut off, Build a wall or get cut off, or let talk nafta?

What am I willing to do?  I'm not voting for either.  I;d love to live in a great nation too (course, I think I do..MURICA!)...but I thought we were discussing trump and hillary, the election...not fantasyland?

not voting for Hillary is good enough!

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not the first time in thread the sentiments been offered.  Attempting to shame a group for their reaction to oppression by invoking the spirit of a man -assassinated- for his reaction to oppression...many decades after said oppression was -supposed- to have been made illegal...and as it continues to occur.  Go ahead, tell those darkies how they should be acting, tell them what it means to be a good boy, shame the shit out of them...and just to be thorough, bring up MLK.....you may not have pissed everyone off yet.  

These fuckers all read from the same scripts.

Please... is it not you conclusion that anyone who say ANYTHING that does not support rioting in the street is racist? How is that not right out of chapter one page one of the liberal's hand book?

How about this: It is never ok to burn down someone's business. It is Never ok to try and throw a white news camera man into a fire.

well, i mean, if he's white, ofc not

It is never ok to shoulder check a white news reporter for just reporting the news.

......well, I mean, if she's white. ofc not.

Unless your black of course then it's "The purge" (All crime is legal) when a man gets shot for acting crazy around police.

Yep, that's how the blacks act. All of em. All the time. For no reason at all. That's why it's okay to execute them for traffic violations.

[The Grand Nudger]

Dude say what you will,

-snipped for brevity
I will, thx for the permission.  Your boys business acumen doesn't impress me, quite the opposite. I don't know why we'd even discuss it, though, since we're not hiring a boss for a business, but a president for a government.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+...8&oe=utf-8
Even liberal are billing this as obama's 3rd term. she is changing very little.. Even his disdain for police officers.

-and you suddenly believe liberal ad copy, do you?  Jesus you're easy.  

Here's the thing.. If we doubled everyone's tax burdern and did not allow for any deductions, at our current obama deficit if we did not accrue any new debt it would take several hundred years to pay what we owe... IF WE DOUBBLED EVERYONE'S Taxes.

Guess we'd better look to tripling them, then, or if it's too much of a problem for us to solve no matter what, stop bitching about our debt entirely..eh?  

The only way out of this is to generate new businesses and to bring business back companies who have outsourced their labor..

Good luck to you, on that count.  

The only way to do that is to eliminate these trade deals that make it cheaper to build in other countries and ship their goods here. it has to be cheaper to build it here.

Actually it's only broadly cheaper to build things in other countries if there's a significant labor cost.  Because, you know..sweatshops exist - a subject that you should be intimately familiar with.  

If all these companies are now building here again, then that means more jobs. If we are flooded with jobs again then that means employers have to pay more.. Not as a means to artificially inflate the job market with a higher min wage, but because we increased demand for skilled labor. which again increases tax revenue. We are currently a nation in decline looking to pay an ever increasing debt. which is not possible by contributing the decline by taxing the only people who can create jobs... Look at greece, Italy the EU, this tax and spend thing has failed, and yet clinton is chasing after this pipe dream by promising more taxes and you guys are lining up for it!!!

If at some point you had any idea how that was going to be made to happen you;d have explained it by now..and so would trump, and so..for that matter, would hillary.  Why do you keep telling me what I;m lining up for as though you were speaking to a hillary supporter?

No.. cut spending. Cut taxes. What happens in your home when you get a pay cut? do you spend more? do you apply for more credit in hopes to spend you way out of the problem?

If you can, that's the most intelligent way to get yourself out of the problem.  Particularly if your other option is the production of jobs directly out of a candidates asshole.  

Like I said above. You create jobs by forcing companies to bring manufacturing back here. Like trump said you lift the penalties for repatriating the funds people transferred to those swiss banks to hide it from obama. Trump claims there are hunderds of trillions of dollars being hidden around the world in different banks, for onr reason only. Governmental greed. It is cheaper for a billionare to hide his money in some off shore bank with all of their fees and taxes, than it is to have it here in our banks. Trump is purposing amnesty for those who bring back their money and invest in American banks...

That sounds suspiciously like dipping into capital flight..which you just told us wouldn't work...but now are positively gushing over.  You've got more in common with those people than you realize...

This money isn't just going to sit in a vault. Banks invest via loans from homes to roads to power plants to all the infrastructure we need to 'make America great again.' All of which generates revenue which gets TAXED...

I don;t know wy you think that banks work like that.  As to what well, would get taxed, if it ever materialized...which it won't..and if tax -cuts- weren't being proposed for it.  L2simplemath?

Or they can tighten down and tax the rich more and make all of america look like detroit. (was the home to a trillion dollar industry/which all went to mexico because it just cost too much here to build a car)

Here's the thing you need to remember. the rich will not be taxed (look at trump) they have the money to find some one to help them hide it, or they have the finds to simply move.

Why do you think clinton can not define the middle class anymore? Google it It use to be a house hold who made between 75K and 250K.. She can't define the middle class because they will soon be informed that they are now apart of the upper class. a family that makes 125K collectively can't move to the caymans... but they can be made to pay a 50% income tax to pay for whatever give away is going to get her fat butt elected next go round. The truly rich.. the donald trumps/the men who she is selling to be whom she will be robbing to give to the poor will exodus this country like rats from a sinking ship. while YOU will now fund all the freebe's she has planned.

"It's too hard to tax them, we give up, they win."

B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S M-A-N

snipped because LOL

Where?

not voting for Hillary is good enough!

-and voting for trump is unconscionable..ergo I won't.  This is really easy to understand, the folks out on the fringes of the political left are nutballs, you, on the fringe of the right, are a nutball...you're both closer to each other than either of you ar to me.  I won't vote for a candidate for the reasons that -both- of you think I should.  
"Dillary will bring back jobs!"
"Honald will make america great again!"
"My opponent will fucking -ruin- america! "
"I'm not the smelliest turd in the bowl!"

[KevinM1]

LOL @ the idea that Trump will kickstart the economy.  

Trump, the guy whose 'business acumen' comes from mismanaging the inheritance his father left him, strong arming banks in bad real estate deals because he's more than willing to simply go bankrupt and default on his ample loans, and having every one of his chintzy trinkets made overseas.

The guy who tried selling steaks at Sharper Image, sold idiots on a non-existent 'university', and siphoned money from his charity to cover campaign costs.

The guy who hasn't paid taxes in 18 years and boasts about it, yet seethes when talking about moochers.

Yeah, that's the guy who we can trust to steer the ship.  He's the guy looking out for the middle class with his talk about giving his rich buddies yet another tax break, as though supply side/trickle down economics has ever worked (funny how job creators are actually the people who demand goods and services, rather than the people who provide them).

See, here's the thing - the very rich already have the lowest operating costs possible through outsourcing.  They're more than comfortable with slavery, wage or otherwise.  They have no incentive to change.  For as much as they may brag about "American made," that's just marketing.  They don't really give a shit.  And for small business people, well, humans are the most expensive part of the process.  Insurance, benefits, wages, equipment... workers are expensive.  That's why they're always the last to be added to the mix and the first to go.  And that's why, when possible, they outsource.  Because one American is worth, what, 10 people from some shit hole country?  20?  50?

Give me break.  It is the height of naivete to think that lowering taxes on people who don't pay them to begin with will benefit the American workforce.  That our betters will graciously allow us to feed off whatever crumbs they may have left us once they've had their fill.  It didn't work in the 80's and early 90's, and it's certainly not going to work now.

Trump and the rest of the GOP keep sucking off the ghost of Reagan.  They like that he 'talked tough' and 'wasn't scared of the Soviets' and all that other BS.  They conveniently forget that his policies ballooned our deficit and led to a recession, and made a few people a ton of money, while leaving the rest of us to pay for the mess.  And now Trump and the idiots who masturbate to "Red Dawn" want to go right back to the Reagan era, but on an advanced timetable and with a leader who couldn't even hold Reagan's jock.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so frightening.

[Pat Mustard]

Well, you go ahead and tell me when you find a businesman then.....lol?  

Dude say what you will, but like it or not he has billions in assets.. they don't just give away skyscrapers with your name on them. No one has even come close to doing what he has done. managing billions and knowing how to kick start this country's economy should be argument enough who is tired of working themselves to death and has nothing to show for it at the end of the day. I got a taste of how a strong american ecconomy can make all of us a little better off post clinton 1 and pre 9/11 and i would like a decade or so before the liberals crap it all back up. i like most of america need to put some money in the bank before we can just start giving away what we dont have. If you've neve know a strong american ecconomy then I an understand why you would vote liberal, but if you have you'd know the 'low hanging fruit' is enough to make any 1/2 assed (just go to work at a reasonable job) american rich.

Obama has literally spent more money in his term than every single president before him COMBINED! And Clinton wants more of the same...

Obamas not running for president, and Hillary has her own policies, as flawed as we may find them.  There;s no need to invent and spread hyperbole in order to object to another President Clinton.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+...8&oe=utf-8
Even liberal are billing this as obama's 3rd term. she is changing very little.. Even his disdain for police officers.

Trump in the first 45 mins of the debate mentioned the new bubble created by the fed by keeping the intrest rate so low. if it simply goes back to 4% our nation's debt doubbles.. the debt Obama has already doubled in his 8 years.. So what is clinton's plan "tax the rich."

Well, we do have to pay what we owe, don't we?  The money has to come from somewhere, and taxing the poor is squeezing a stone for blood, at this point.  

Here's the thing.. If we doubled everyone's tax burdern and did not allow for any deductions, at our current obama deficit if we did not accrue any new debt it would take several hundred years to pay what we owe... IF WE DOUBBLED EVERYONE'S Taxes.

The only way out of this is to generate new businesses and to bring business back companies who have outsourced their labor..

The only way to do that is to eliminate these trade deals that make it cheaper to build in other countries and ship their goods here. it has to be cheaper to build it here.

If all these companies are now building here again, then that means more jobs. If we are flooded with jobs again then that means employers have to pay more.. Not as a means to artificially inflate the job market with a higher min wage, but because we increased demand for skilled labor. which again increases tax revenue. We are currently a nation in decline looking to pay an ever increasing debt. which is not possible by contributing the decline by taxing the only people who can create jobs... Look at greece, Italy the EU, this tax and spend thing has failed, and yet clinton is chasing after this pipe dream by promising more taxes and you guys are lining up for it!!!

Yep, capital flight is a thing, the flighty rich are scumbags........we already know this?  You;re not hoping to imply that -because- the flighty rich would do the scumbag thing, we shouldn't -try- to get them to pay their way..that we have to squeeze the already crushed poor because rich douchebags gotta douche....are you?  

No.. cut spending. Cut taxes. What happens in your home when you get a pay cut? do you spend more? do you apply for more credit in hopes to spend you way out of the problem?

Like I said above. You create jobs by forcing companies to bring manufacturing back here. Like trump said you lift the penalties for repatriating the funds people transferred to those swiss banks to hide it from obama. Trump claims there are hunderds of trillions of dollars being hidden around the world in different banks, for onr reason only. Governmental greed. It is cheaper for a billionare to hide his money in some off shore bank with all of their fees and taxes, than it is to have it here in our banks. Trump is purposing amnesty for those who bring back their money and invest in American banks...

This money isn't just going to sit in a vault. Banks invest via loans from homes to roads to power plants to all the infrastructure we need to 'make America great again.'

All of which generates revenue which gets TAXED...

Or they can tighten down and tax the rich more and make all of america look like detroit. (was the home to a trillion dollar industry/which all went to mexico because it just cost too much here to build a car)

Here's the thing you need to remember. the rich will not be taxed (look at trump) they have the money to find some one to help them hide it, or they have the finds to simply move.

Why do you think clinton can not define the middle class anymore? Google it It use to be a house hold who made between 75K and 250K.. She can't define the middle class because they will soon be informed that they are now apart of the upper class. a family that makes 125K collectively can't move to the caymans... but they can be made to pay a 50% income tax to pay for whatever give away is going to get her fat butt elected next go round. The truly rich.. the donald trumps/the men who she is selling to be whom she will be robbing to give to the poor will exodus this country like rats from a sinking ship. while YOU will now fund all the freebe's she has planned.

Not to mention the trade deals like nafta that has weakened this country to the point of perpetual poverty. I was in New Orleans this weekend and we just went by row after row of abandoned factories and warehouses.. it is sicking to see how much we as a country has lost in a once great hub of commerce.

Which isn't coming back, no matter who we elect.  We're not voting for a time machine, you realize?

B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S M-A-N
A business man like trump renegotiates deals.. especially unfavorable like this. Trump says mexico owes us trillions.. which is how he said he will make them build the wall.. Now lets say, he comes to us and says 'hey folks we can have mexico build the wall or we can leverage some of that revenue that mexico owes us to renegotiate nafta... which do you think we'd want more?

Now what do you think el presedente' is going to do with either a demand to pay up/get cut off, Build a wall or get cut off, or let talk nafta?

What am I willing to do?  I'm not voting for either.  I;d love to live in a great nation too (course, I think I do..MURICA!)...but I thought we were discussing trump and hillary, the election...not fantasyland?

not voting for Hillary is good enough!

You honestly think EU auserity measures have failed because countries were allowed to increase spending? What part of "cut government spending by 60%, and stop paying pensions or social welfare to anybody, or we won't give you this 7.5% loan to bail out your banks"* do you not understand?

The current crisis in the EU and UK is due to failure to tax and spend, not a failure of tax and spend.

*Germany's terms to Greece with the 2015 "bailout" loan, with the added proviso thatGreece couldn't pursue those it had discovered to have evaded tax for years, because a number if German tycoons and companies were involved.