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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 30, 2016 at 4:33 pm
So, I've been away a couple of days...
Can anyone please let me know if Marisep has ever responded to any of the refutations of his original argument?
Or is he still trying to prove his nose exists?
Too lazy to read over a couple of dozen pages.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 30, 2016 at 4:40 pm
None whatsoever
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 30, 2016 at 5:04 pm
Thanks a lot to the founders and owners and operators of this forum, all hail to them that I am still around.
Dear atheist colleagues, please do not derail this thread with harping on my not employing all the codes here, but I am already into a trial to change WYSIWYG edit to simple edit, but I am not succeeding.
At least I am like the proverbial cat whether black or white it catches the mice, and is loved by its cat loving owner.
Another house-cleaning chore from my part for my landscape view here, please abstain dear atheist colleagues here from the sh** and fu** words, because I beg of you, it is not doing credit to, as you are atheists, to this Atheistforums.org.
You atheist colleagues keep on and on saying that you don't see my proof to be any proof, but I ask you to show me an example of how if ever you prove something to exist in objective reality, and I am not getting any at all; please at least see that I have presented a proof, you also present an example of a proof of something existing, step by step, before you even repeat again and again that I don't have proof for God existing - here goes: in concept first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Our presence here in this Atheistforums website and that it is working properly is also evidence for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost etc.
Addressing Mathilda: it seems that you are quite active here recently, so I will reproduce my OP, and you tell me just one thing only per post what is wrong with my proof for God existing.
Please do not insist that you have already said what is or are wrong with my proof, for it is possible that you could have better things to say now on what is or are wrong with my proof for God exists, but just limit it to one thing wrong per post.
I propose that you focus on causation, because you just bring up first cause and asking me what about the cause of the first cause.
How can any human person know what is proof by evidence when it comes to God existing - here goes: in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, when he does not master the phenomenon of causation which is one of the components of existence.
Tell you what, dear atheist colleague, Mathilda, think about this statement from yours truly:
"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."
When you think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas from your purest reasoning faculty and intelligence, it will be like Eureka from Archimedes: God exists!!! In concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning!!!
In the meantime I am trying to observe whether my attempt is succeeding to shift from WYSIWYG edit here in this forum, to writing in plain ascii characters, and also thereby editing it with codes?
I am trying to shift to plain edit by reading up on questions in the web addressed to masters of style in Atheistforums.
Anyway, please dear atheist colleagues here, I am the proverbial cat that though black or white, I assure you that I always catch the mice, but only when my pet owner has good literacy and loves me.
ANNEX
(October 24, 2016 at 5:27 am)Mariosep Wrote: This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 30, 2016 at 5:08 pm
(October 30, 2016 at 4:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, I've been away a couple of days...
Can anyone please let me know if Marisep has ever responded to any of the refutations of his original argument?
Or is he still trying to prove his nose exists?
Too lazy to read over a couple of dozen pages.
Impossible to tell. Whether he knows it or not (and I doubt he has the nous), he's using the classic Civil Service trick of burying his points, such as they are, in amongst a shit-ton of waste material. So when someone calls him on something, he can claim that he's already addressed it - we just failed to understand it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 30, 2016 at 5:31 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2016 at 5:35 pm by Simon Moon.)
Quote:Thanks a lot to the founders and owners and operators of this forum, all hail to them that I am still around.
Dear atheist colleagues, please do not derail this thread with harping on my not employing all the codes here, but I am already into a trial to change WYSIWYG edit to simple edit, but I am not succeeding.
At least I am like the proverbial cat whether black or white it catches the mice, and is loved by its cat loving owner.
Another house-cleaning chore from my part for my landscape view here, please abstain dear atheist colleagues here from the sh** and fu** words, because I beg of you, it is not doing credit to, as you are atheists, to this Atheistforums.org.
You atheist colleagues keep on and on saying that you don't see my proof to be any proof, but I ask you to show me an example of how if ever you prove something to exist in objective reality, and I am not getting any at all; please at least see that I have presented a proof, you also present an example of a proof of something existing, step by step, before you even repeat again and again that I don't have proof for God existing - here goes: in concept first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Our presence here in this Atheistforums website and that it is working properly is also evidence for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost etc.
Addressing Mathilda: it seems that you are quite active here recently, so I will reproduce my OP, and you tell me just one thing only per post what is wrong with my proof for God existing.
Please do not insist that you have already said what is or are wrong with my proof, for it is possible that you could have better things to say now on what is or are wrong with my proof for God exists, but just limit it to one thing wrong per post.
I propose that you focus on causation, because you just bring up first cause and asking me what about the cause of the first cause.
How can any human person know what is proof by evidence when it comes to God existing - here goes: in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, when he does not master the phenomenon of causation which is one of the components of existence.
Tell you what, dear atheist colleague, Mathilda, think about this statement from yours truly:
"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."
When you think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas from your purest reasoning faculty and intelligence, it will be like Eureka from Archimedes: God exists!!! In concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning!!!
In the meantime I am trying to observe whether my attempt is succeeding to shift from WYSIWYG edit here in this forum, to writing in plain ascii characters, and also thereby editing it with codes?
I am trying to shift to plain edit by reading up on questions in the web addressed to masters of style in Atheistforums.
Anyway, please dear atheist colleagues here, I am the proverbial cat that though black or white, I assure you that I always catch the mice, but only when my pet owner has good literacy and loves me.
ANNEX
(October 24, 2016 at 5:27 am)Mariosep Wrote: This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?
I could care less if you are using correct codes are not.
What I do care about is you are completely ignoring the obvious flaws your "proof" contains.
As I pointed out on post #44, and others have also pointed out, your argument contains the following fallacies:
Fallacy of composition
Affirming the consequent
Equivocation
Non sequitur
So, it is up to YOU to get back on track and respond to those of us that pointed out the flaws in your OP.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 30, 2016 at 5:37 pm
(October 30, 2016 at 5:04 pm)Mariosep Wrote: please abstain dear atheist colleagues here from the sh** and fu** words, because I beg of you
No. Fuck you, shitstain.
See, I didn't want to insult you like that until you made a big deal out of those words. You walked into that one.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 30, 2016 at 6:12 pm
(October 30, 2016 at 4:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, I've been away a couple of days...
Can anyone please let me know if Marisep has ever responded to any of the refutations of his original argument?
Or is he still trying to prove his nose exists?
Too lazy to read over a couple of dozen pages.
Definitely don't do that (my bolded). Life is too short already. That poster just continues to bumble and mumble about next to nothing.
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October 30, 2016 at 6:29 pm
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