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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 2:04 pm
Women don't generally get respected as scientists. No reason to expect them to be listened to when they're talking about stuff that's not falsifiable.
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 2:14 pm
(January 12, 2017 at 1:54 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: If these women you mentioned have written any books on a level with Climbing Mount Improbable, Demon Haunted World or God is Not Great, I gotta read them.
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 2:27 pm
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(January 12, 2017 at 1:54 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: If these women you mentioned have written any books on a level with Climbing Mount Improbable, Demon Haunted World or God is Not Great, I gotta read them.
Well...you're in luck.....Druyan coauthored demon haunted world. You've already read her work. You;ve probably heard her words fall from Neil Tysons mouth, as well. That's one of her least impressive creds. The voyager spacecraft have her work onboard, as a message to any alien civilization that picks them up, and she's the program director for Cosmos 1, a deep space solar sail prototype. She's a fellow, chair, or director for a number of organizations dealing with the supernatural -and science, and just so happens to smoke a little weed....(lol - idk whether or not she does, she's just involved in marijuana reform).
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 2:30 pm
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Ann Druyan always gives too much credit and reverence to her late husband. Whenever I hear her talk it's Carl thought this Carl did that Carl Carl. For gods sakes, just tell us what you yourself think, I'm sure it's interesting!
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 2:34 pm
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That's why she's not well known. Everytime I hear Carl Sagan talk I hear her words in his voice, lol. Their styles were distinct, and the things most people remember from sagan were, regardless of whatever she says in self depricating mode, very clearly hers. Particularly the things he had to say about religion. She was the spiritual one, he was notorious for refusing to even discuss the matter. Yet, in their co-authored work, both in print and on film, we hear him ecstatically talking about the wondrous spiritual experience of science, the line "This is better than we thought" - attributed to Sagan...not his. She's still writing about that today.
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 2:47 pm
(January 12, 2017 at 2:00 pm)Alex K Wrote: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=susan+jacoby
Just downloaded an audio version. In case you didn't see my reply to you in the other thread, I also downloaded Digital Fortress.
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 10:36 pm
(January 12, 2017 at 1:54 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: If these women you mentioned have written any books on a level with Climbing Mount Improbable, Demon Haunted World or God is Not Great, I gotta read them.
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 10:59 pm
She probably deserves a spot. Whether a person agrees with her or not she still had the steely ones to stand up and take a highly detestable position on more than one thing.
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 11:19 pm
Don't suppose Tracie Harris or Jen Peeples count.
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RE: Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking, Ehrman, Coin, Sagan: Where are the Woman?
January 12, 2017 at 11:39 pm
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Patricia Churchland? She's kind of like a female Daniel Dennet in the sense that she's well-versed in both neuroscience and philosophy and likes to talk about how the former affects the latter. I don't think she spends much time arguing over religion, so I can't say for certain she's an atheist. But she spends quite a bit of energy arguing for a physical reductionist view of the brain, i.e. the soul is bullshit.
Note: I did find the one book of hers I read, "Touching a Nerve," to be underwhelming.
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