Deadliest religion ever?

[paulpablo]

I rest my case.

Could you explain it?

Scare quotes apparently indicate irony or indicate a phrase the person making the statement doesn't agree with. 

I don't see how irony or whether or not phrases used within the statement make it any more correct.  Unless there's another way of using scare quotes I'm unaware of.

I don't know much about scare quotes so just genuinely asking this question, how do they make the statement anymore correct and is there another usage of them that I'm unaware of?

[Edwardo Piet]

The scare quotes indicate that 'stoned to death' implies the biblical sense of stoning and even if an atheist used that biblical reason the whole point is it's not meant to be taken that literally and that even if there are exceptions where atheists did 'stone someone to death' under biblical reasons that's just another example of religion doing harm as religion couldn't be used for an excuse if religion didn't exist.

No one was ever 'stoned to death' by an atheist means "atheism never causes biblically based stoning but the bible certainly can cause it."

[paulpablo]

The scare quotes indicate that 'stoned to death' implies the biblical sense of stoning and even if an atheist used that biblical reason the whole point is it's not meant to be taken that literally and that even if there are exceptions where atheists did 'stone someone to death' under biblical reasons that's just another example of religion doing harm as religion couldn't be used for an excuse if religion didn't exist.

No one was ever 'stoned to death' by an atheist means "atheism never causes biblically based stoning but the bible certainly can cause it."

So what you think is that the statement "No one has ever been 'stoned to death' by an atheist." means that people have most likely been stoned to death by atheists but not for biblical reasons.  But also that it could be for biblical reasons.


From what I've read up on scare quotes aren't used that way.

[Minimalist]

You see.... you get stoned for saying "Jehovah"






You don't get stoned for not saying "Jehovah."

[Edwardo Piet]

The scare quotes indicate that 'stoned to death' implies the biblical sense of stoning and even if an atheist used that biblical reason the whole point is it's not meant to be taken that literally and that even if there are exceptions where atheists did 'stone someone to death' under biblical reasons that's just another example of religion doing harm as religion couldn't be used for an excuse if religion didn't exist.

No one was ever 'stoned to death' by an atheist means "atheism never causes biblically based stoning but the bible certainly can cause it."

So what you think is that the statement "No one has ever been 'stoned to death' by an atheist." means that people have most likely been stoned to death by atheists but not for biblical reasons.  But also that it could be for biblical reasons.


From what I've read up on scare quotes aren't used that way.

No...that's not what I said.

I said that people have only ever been 'stoned to death' for biblical reasons.

And yes scare quotes absolutely are used to mean not to take the statement literally.

You are being intentionally obtuse now. It's extremely clear what I meant and obvious that it doesn't mean that no atheist has ever thrown rocks at people until they die. The scare quotes were used for a reason. You're not this dense, you strawmanning fuckwit, it was extremely clear what I meant and you know it was and you blatently don't care about the truth and you only care about the appearance of it.

You're not that dense but I was gullible to deign to explaining something so obvious when you clearly understood it in the first place and pretended not to. Talk about disingenous. Why am I talking to you when if I say 2+2=4 you're happy to pretend it's 6 and then insist I asked what 3+3 was when I correct you?

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You see.... you get stoned for saying "Jehovah"






You don't get stoned for not saying "Jehovah."

And when an atheist stones someone to death for saying "Jehovah" They only get away with it by pretending to believe in it. And they wouldn't get away with it by pretending to believe in it if no one believed in it.

The whole point in either case if someone gets stoned to death for saying "Jehovah" it's religion that's the cause of that.

Of course this wouldn't need explaining if someone wasn't pretending to be dense.

[paulpablo]

I'm not pretending to be dense I'm expressing my opinion about this meme you scruffy little cunt.

Scare quotes are apparently, according to wikipedia

Scare quotes, shudder quotes,[1][2] or sneer quotes[3][4][5][excessive citations] are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to signal that a term is being used in a non-standard, ironic, or otherwise special sense.[6] They may be used to imply that a particular expression is not necessarily how the author would have worded a concept.[7] Scare quotes may serve a function similar to verbally preceding a phrase with the expression "so-called"[8]—they may imply skepticism or disagreement, belief that the words are mis-used, or that the writer intends a meaning opposite to the words enclosed in quotes

Writers use scare quotes for a variety of reasons. Scare quotes are used to imply an element of doubt or ambiguity regarding the words or ideas within the marks,[21] or even outright contempt.

It doesn't say scare quotes make an entire statement non literal.

So they might be used in a phrase like "The 'thugs' were carrying bags for the old women as they were shot by police"

That doesn't mean the entire phrase isn't to be taken literally, it's there to show the auther wouldn't have used that word and would have probably used an exact opposite word, in this example "Innocent teenagers" might be used instead of "thugs".

As it says they're also used to display contempt for a word or phrase.

So I think this person who created the meme simply used the scare quotes to express contempt for the phrase stoned to death and to make a FALSE blanket statement about atheists.  But I don't know because I didn't make this meme, and you didn't either.  So you don't know. 

All you did is project your ideas onto this little meme and say you know exactly what the person was meant to be saying for a fact.

[SuperSentient]

I suppose you are correct in a way, but you could argue that it is the person committing the violent or terrorist act that is deadly not religious ideas themselves, no?

Their religious ideas could influence them to commit violence or use it to justify further violence (like by quoting their scriptures and claiming God supports their violent acts).
Examples of this may include the Christian church during the dark ages and terrorist groups like Al Qaeda.

[Cyberman]

If religion is used to justify violence, then it can be deadly.

I suppose you are correct in a way, but you could argue that it is the person committing the violent or terrorist act that is deadly not religious ideas themselves, no?

Here's the thing though. Even if religions don't have an "us and them, kill the not-we" dimension, the fact that they can be twisted to that end makes them, on at least that level, antithetical to a healthy society.

[CapnAwesome]

What do you think the deadliest/bloodiest religion in history was?
With the religious terrorism of this day, it seems many horrific things have been done in the name of religion.


It doesn't have to be a religion alive today, just some religion (historical and/or modern) that you consider to have been the most deadly.

Well I guess it depends if you are talking about per capita or total numbers. In terms of total numbers Christianity and Islam are by far number one, just because there are so many more people in modern times. If you are talking per capita, well the Mongol wars were the most devastating, but I wouldn't really call them religiously motivated. I mean most religiously motivated wars were done by Christianity and Islam, so it's still one of those.

[Silent Snob]

What do you think the deadliest/bloodiest religion in history was?
With the religious terrorism of this day, it seems many horrific things have been done in the name of religion.


It doesn't have to be a religion alive today, just some religion (historical and/or modern) that you consider to have been the most deadly.

Capitalism. My number one, still.

The devotees believe in nothing but more-more-more-of-the-same. It's as stupid as any other one but with less fancy storys one can make fun about.