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Atheists becoming less unpopular?
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(March 31, 2017 at 12:00 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(March 31, 2017 at 11:15 am)Khemikal Wrote: It's not as if there is no secular foundation for such a position.

Try the UN preamble, for starters.

Recognition of inalienable human rights is not the same and having a foundation for them. It's kind of like your objections to intelligent design. Both ID and neo-Dawinists recognize the same complex systems but differ significantly on how those complex systems came to be. Wouldn't you say that ID proponents haven't adequately demonstrated that presence of a designer and that biological systems only appear to be designed? In other words, knowing "that something is" is not the same as knowing "why something is." So no, Khem, there is no secular foundation for human rights.

Neither your disagreement with the various secular foundations of inalienable rights, nor your preference for godidit™ over those secular foundations.....have the ability to make them disappear.  

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I wouldn't have a problem voting for anyone on the list except for maybe the socialist, depending on what exactly was meant by that. It kinda doesn't fit in with the rest of what was on the list, because it is itself a political stance.

There can be Mormons, Muslims, Atheists, etc, who share similar political views as myself. Tibs, for example, has a lot of the same political views as myself and he's an atheist. I'd vote for his ass.
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(April 8, 2017 at 11:23 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wouldn't have a problem voting for anyone on the list except for maybe the socialist, depending on what exactly was meant by that. It kinda doesn't fit in with the rest of what was on the list, because it is itself a political stance.

There can be Mormons, Muslims, Atheists, etc, who share similar political views as myself. Tibs, for example, has a lot of the same political views as myself and he's an atheist. I'd vote for his ass.

It is a bullshit myth that the GOP has unfortunately sold since Reagan, that liberals, even liberal theists, not just liberal atheists, that somehow because we value livable wages, workers rights, equal pay for women, affordable health care, and lower pay gap between the top and bottom, that somehow that means we want to end the private sector.

No most liberals outside a very few DO NOT want to end the private sector, just the monopolies and greed that has run the 1% attitude. There certainly are decent business owners, morso at the mom and pop level local yes. But the global corporate climate is far too full of horrible quick satisfaction marketing having less to do with providing for humanity and more to do with megga corporations competing for shareholders.

No CL, I don't want the west or America to become Stalin's Russia or Castro's Cuba. But when the economic right falsely misuses the word "capitalism", the rich economists at the top know better but don't give a shit that they lie to people. China IS also a capitalist country, it has western businesses that are located there because of the cheaper labor. Saudi Arabia's Royal Family owns oil companies and invests in global banks and the global weapons industry.

Despite what many falsely think about Cuba, Fidel was not poor and had a net worth of 100s of millions. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. 

Corporate abuse is what I am against. Lies about taxes being robbery are what I am against. The idea that a billionaire family like the Walmart Family will end up on cat food if they pay higher taxes. None of this paragraph is a demand on my part to end the private sector. Just calling it bullshit when those at the top who have way more than they actually need still act like they are the victims.

I do enjoy going to a local pizza joint one day, get hot dogs at the gas station the next, get chinese food the next day, ect ect ect. But I don't like the attitude that the rich think they are the only class that is important. The bulk of the sweat isn't being done by 1 CEO, but the labor that company stands on. Workers don't want the private sector to go away, not even most liberal theists and liberal atheists. Workers simply don't want to sink and they also want more time outside their jobs so they can be with family and friends and be healther so that when they have that balance, they can be more productive while on the job.
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(April 8, 2017 at 11:23 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wouldn't have a problem voting for anyone on the list except for maybe the socialist, depending on what exactly was meant by that. It kinda doesn't fit in with the rest of what was on the list, because it is itself a political stance.

There can be Mormons, Muslims, Atheists, etc, who share similar political views as myself. Tibs, for example, has a lot of the same political views as myself and he's an atheist. I'd vote for his ass.

Id vote for a Socialist id rather have that can a corporatist shill honestly. At least with a socialist most of the time said person  is looking out for you
than some large corporation. Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein are more socialists even more people and generation is more socialist than anything.
So yeah social security is a socialist program, police is  a socialist thing so is the fire department a good bit of socialism within our government already exists 
and medicare is a social program. So i  don't know exactly why you wouldn't vote socialist they aren't bad we just get told they are because people sell us 
"options" note said "options" and or "choices" are expensive by the way (hinting at healthcare pre ACA).
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Some bit of propaganda did its job too well when people in 2017 still think that "socialist" is equivalent to "communist".
I'd advise a look into European politics.
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