Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[Godscreated]

<guffsnip>Atheist will not accept explanations about Bible verses and passages,<guffsnip>

I'm sure I've asked this before but refresh my memory. Why did two thousand pigs commit suicide, and what the fuck were Hebrews doing herding pigs in the first place?

They were not Hebrews.

GC

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 The only reason I hear from any of you is this, I do not believe, not much in the area of informative conversation is it. yes I do because you are, what do you want me to do lie to you, that would be dishonest and do no one any good. Why should i accept science I know is wrong, unlike you I've looked at both sides and probably spent more time on evolution than creation. From day one few have ever shown respect for me, criticizing me for my beliefs making fun of what I know and I at least explain why I believe. Atheist only say I do not believe, they do so by being ignorant of what the scriptures say, most can only focus on the OT and the wars that are recorded there. Atheist will not accept explanations about Bible verses and passages, when I have cornered someone they just bail out of the conversation and later own spew the same old thing that about a verse that they were schooled on. So don't preach to me about respect, when none has come my way from many here, some have been very respectful and to those I once again say thank you.

GC

The stance "both sides of evolution" deserves nothing but ridicule.  You've never cornered anyone on discussing the bible.  You state belief as fact, and then claim you never lie.  You're about a worthy of respect as Trump.

 Trump has nothing to do with this conversation and apparently you are having all kinds of trouble with it yourself. What you call belief I know as fact. I have been able to take every cherry pick verse that atheist misinterpret to suit their own desire, they do not look for the truth and when it is presented they turn a blind eye and go off screaming, untrue untrue. They run from the conversation as if they were set on fire, pun intended.

GC

[vorlon13]

Same thing rich Christians are doing with filthy lucre.

[Godscreated]

Why should i accept science I know is wrong...

You have yet to demonstrate that you understand evolution well enough to know whether it's right or wrong.  Mind you, any young-earth creationist is at a distinct disadvantage in gaining that understanding.  Evolution is an ongoing process requiring tiny changes over many generations, often over millions of years.  Modern humans, for instance, are most closely related to modern chimpanzees.  Both split off from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago.  If your understanding of science does not include an Earth that is billions of years old, evolution probably won't make sense to you.

Prove to me that this happened six million years ago. There has never been an observation of one animal, plant or what ever changing into something totally different, finches are finches. I understand that evolutionary science says that it takes many millions of years to change one thing into another, dino to chicken. I also know that information can not be added to DNA because there is no mechanism to do so. Also added information would mean a plan and evolution is self described as one big accident. You see I have looked at both sides and determined evolution has no foundation at even a basic level. The date debate will probably go on for a long time, but for me it's settled, to date something one first need to know exactly how much of the material being looked for was present to begin with and that's not possible, so a guess is all one has. An oyster shell was sent to be carbon dated several years ago, the age came back as 100,000 years old, the oyster had been eaten a few days before it was sent in and no I can't give you any more info about it than this because the book I was studying was lent out and never returned. If you take the ratio of one week to 100,000 years you will see where the billions of years come from. I haven't studied with those people I had several years ago, I wish now I had, I could bring up more mistakes like this one.

GC

So don't preach to me about respect, when none has come my way from many here...

Perhaps if you hadn't already pissed in the well with statements like these...?

We were ahead of you long ago, you've never given anything worth hearing, so being worthy of an argument is completely out.

You have mistakes probably from misunderstanding.

If you truly understood you wouldn't be an atheist.

I'm explaining God as the Bible does, it's not my fault you can't grasp this.

No you do not grasp it or you would be a Christian, you haven't the fortitude to seek Jesus.

...you should know not to use scripture that doesn't apply to a conversation... or did you just forget the rest.

 I judged no one, unlike you.

Christians understand the relationship between God the Father and God the Son, they know it's not like that of an earthly father and a earthly son.
Why would you think differently, because you do not understand.

I've given you books, papers and pencils and have tried to teach you and I always find you sitting around chewing the erasers off the pencils instead of listening.

I didn't think you could, that's why you gave a stupid reply.

{later in same post}

Apparently more than you're capable of understanding, and it was so simple, too. How sad.

I said your reply as stupid because you did not show where I judged and you still haven't and no one has rubbed my nose in anything.

{and...}

No I have not made that claim, see the eraser has again gotten in the way of your understanding. If you had listened to what i have said you would have know I said I'm here to give witness to my beliefs and leave the converting to the only one who can do that, God! So you see I'm not a liar as you claim, you on the other hand are an eraser eating dunce sitting in the corner without a clue as to what Christians here are saying.

My guess would be you are terrified of us and who we believe in.

You are as blind as Samsom was before he lost his sight, funny how losing something can give one a new perspective ain't it..

You seem to be running out of new answers, I'm starting to see some of the same statements from you.

The Bible I read isn't fictional, just because you have blinded yourself to what it really is doesn't mean it's what you want it to be.

That is serious hypocrisy on your part, accusing us of being disrespectful.

  
  So tell me when did telling the truth qualify as non-respect, seriously. I could post pages from Min alone saying many undeserved thing, but then you probably see those from Min and many others as deserved, I do not. Read my signature, it's true, but I will defend my beliefs with the same rights as atheist do, I think it's appropriate that when we play ball we use both sides of the court, not just the atheist. You seem sensitive to my post to others yet you have no sensitivity when it comes to what others say about me, you seem to have a bias problem. You need to understand I do not care what others even Christians say about me, I'm a grown man who understands that many adults are childish I've seen it over my 63 years of life, experience is a good teacher and I pay attention closely so that I can gain that experience.

GC  

PS. I'm busy setting up my wood shop to be more efficient, so I probably want reply before Monday. Have a good weekend.

[Ravenshire]

That is serious hypocrisy on your part, accusing us of being disrespectful.

QFMFT!

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What you call belief I know as fact.

GC

No, you fucking don't. If your beliefs were facts, you could provide actual, testable, verifiable evidence to back them up. You may think you "know," but you don't.

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So tell me when did telling the truth qualify as non-respect, seriously. I could post pages from Min alone saying many undeserved thing, but then you probably see those from Min and many others as deserved, I do not. Read my signature, it's true, but I will defend my beliefs with the same rights as atheist do, I think it's appropriate that when we play ball we use both sides of the court, not just the atheist. You seem sensitive to my post to others yet you have no sensitivity when it comes to what others say about me, you seem to have a bias problem. You need to understand I do not care what others even Christians say about me, I'm a grown man who understands that many adults are childish I've seen it over my 63 years of life, experience is a good teacher and I pay attention closely so that I can gain that experience.

GC

You know, you come here bitching, quite loudly and repeatedly, about the lack of respect you receive yet there are many examples of respected theists on this board. Perhaps we're simply making change in the coin tendered.

[Astreja]

Prove to me that this happened six million years ago.

Prove to me that you have a strong enough understanding of genetics to understand any explanation I may deign to give you.

There has never been an observation of one animal, plant or what ever changing into something totally different,

Things don't generally speciate while you're staring at them.  You have to look at the big picture, and that requires vastly longer time spans than your mythology permits.

I also know that information can not be added to DNA because there is no mechanism to do so.

Except for sexual reproduction, stochastic switching due to the chemical composition of the environment, any non-deleterious mutation, chromosome fission and chromosome fusion.  Seriously, GC, DNA is just a rather complex molecule.  Anything that can alter its chemistry is capable of changing the so-called information, and if the change does not harm the organism it has a chance of being inherited by a descendant.

An oyster shell was sent to be carbon dated several years ago, the age came back as 100,000 years old...

I call bullshit.  An expert in radiometric dating would not have reported 100,000 years using C14, as the practical limit of that dating method is only about 50,000 years.

There is also a slim chance that a filter-feeding bivalve such as the unfortunate oyster in question might have ingested something that would yield a false positive, such as some dissolved calcium carbonate that had originally been in a fossil in  an ancient seabed and leached out into the water, but that is a minor consideration considering that the whole story sounds, um, fishy.

So tell me when did telling the truth qualify as non-respect, seriously.

GC, I am willing to stake my entire life, and any other lives I may someday possess, on the proposition that you are not telling the truth.  I doubt very much that you're lying on purpose, but you seem to have an insurmountable problem with distinguishing between knowledge and belief, and between fact and fiction.

You seem sensitive to my post to others yet you have no sensitivity when it comes to what others say about me, you seem to have a bias problem.

I'm merely reporting things as I see them -- You were the one who poisoned this well, and now you're upset that we're making you drink from it.  Stop calling people fools.  Stop calling people blind.  Stop pretending that you're the only adult in the fucking room.

I'm a grown man who understands that many adults are childish I've seen it over my 63 years of life, experience is a good teacher and I pay attention closely so that I can gain that experience.

I'm 60.  To me you present as extremely childish and gullible, hopelessly brainwashed into a particularly silly subset of Christianity, and arrogant enough to think that you possess a truth that all the non-believers here failed to grasp despite most of us living in heavily Christian environments for most or all of our lives.

[Fake Messiah]

Prove to me that this happened six million years ago.

LOL! Since when do you go by evidence?

There has never been an observation of one animal, plant or what ever changing into something totally different... You see I have looked at both sides and determined evolution has no foundation at even a basic level.

Both sides? First of all there are not just 2 sides, rather there is scientific and observational one and THEN there is a billion other creation myths and your particular one makes no merit over others.

Second you haven't look at scientific ones because you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself here writing that there has never been an observation of evolution happening in the lab. If you truly read a scientific book or even an article on evolution you would know that back in the 1960's first one to observe and repeat evolution in the lab was Theodosius Dobzhansky. It has happened a number of times since then and we know how to make that happen now as New Scientist described in a June 9, 2008 article titled "Bacteria Make Major Evolutionary Shift in the Lab"
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...n-the-lab/

There was even observation of a single-celled organism becoming multicellular under controlled laboratory conditions and it needed just 60 days.
https://www.wired.com/2012/01/evolution-...llularity/

[Harry Nevis]

 Trump has nothing to do with this conversation and apparently you are having all kinds of trouble with it yourself. What you call belief I know as fact. I have been able to take every cherry pick verse that atheist misinterpret to suit their own desire, they do not look for the truth and when it is presented they turn a blind eye and go off screaming, untrue untrue. They run from the conversation as if they were set on fire, pun intended.

GC

Run from the conversation?!  Another lie among many.  You're a stooge.

[The Grand Nudger]

*it's not a sin if you do it for jesus.

[Succubus]

I'm sure I've asked this before but refresh my memory. Why did two thousand pigs commit suicide, and what the fuck were Hebrews doing herding pigs in the first place?

They were not Hebrews.

GC

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 Dodge noted. Your posting style strongly suggests you are some sort of bot, a poorly programmed one at that. I have yet to see you present an original argument for the existence of your cosmic Jewish zombie, now why would that be?
Your arse is not a source of knowledge or wisdom neither are creationist websites, so stop using them. Unless you're a troll, albeit a cleaver one, you know exactly how far you can go too far, least the ban hammer falls. And as pointed out above, your constant reference to PRATT, tells me you aren’t the least bit genuine with regard to open honest discussion.

[Cyberman]

*it's not a sin if you do it for jesus.

So if I make sure to say "Oh, Jesus; oh, Jesus" while I do it, I get a free pass on the whole sin thing? Sweet!