The Cake Case Revisited

[Minimalist]

You could take them down memory lane.....

[Rev. Rye]

You could take them down memory lane.....

You know, the sad thing is they'd probably protest only because Eva and Adolf's marriage ended up being too small an affair to merit even a cake. Plus, you think the Fuhrerbunker had the resources to make a cake in the days where Hitler was planning to destroy his own people in response to their failure to win th water?

[Minimalist]

I'm sure our modern neo-nazis think their fuhrer could poof a cake into existence if he so willed it.

[downbeatplumb]

People at my work refer to female jiggly bits as "cake", came here expecting that kind of cake.

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Personally I think that if it's your business you should be able to do what you'd like with it, barring outright discrimination of course. I'm interested to see what happens.

What sort of cakes are your people at work eating?

[ignoramus]

This is what they look like...

[Ravenshire]

In answer to C_L, I'd bake the fucking cake. I understand that if I open a business to the public, to remain viable I must cater to the whims of the public. Would I enjoy baking a cake with a swastika on it? No. Would I serve my clientele without bias? Bet your ass, just like these bigoted shit-stains should.

Equal rights for all means exactly that. If you wish to continue to be treated equally, you must treat others the same.

How would you feel, C_L, if an atheist baker refused to bake your wedding cake because you were a cathy-lick? These people are not discriminating against a cake. They're discriminating against other people.

[Alex K]

I agree with Bob. I think we can all say that if we owned a cake bakery and someone walked in wanting a cake that said "White Power" with a swastika on it for a white supremacist Nazi gathering, we should be allowed to refuse to make it. Same goes for if someone wants to refuse to make a cake that says "Happy Wedding Day Ralph and Steve". A company owner should always be allowed to turn down a particular task (not people) if it goes against their moral, political, or religious convictions.

I'm not sure. But apart from the legal issue, don't you find yourself sounding a bit absurd with your above examples? Or were you going for satire and I missed it?

[Catholic_Lady]

I agree with Bob. I think we can all say that if we owned a cake bakery and someone walked in wanting a cake that said "White Power" with a swastika on it for a white supremacist Nazi gathering, we should be allowed to refuse to make it. Same goes for if someone wants to refuse to make a cake that says "Happy Wedding Day Ralph and Steve". A company owner should always be allowed to turn down a particular task (not people) if it goes against their moral, political, or religious convictions.

I'm not sure. But apart from the legal issue, don't you find yourself sounding a bit absurd with your above examples? Or were you going for satire and I missed it?

I don't see why my example is absurd. The point is a business owner should be allowed to say no to any particular service that goes against their morals. The law can't really say "well, you're allowed to say no for this scenario, but not for this other one." You're either allowed to say no, or you aren't. If you're not legally allowed to say no to making a cake for a gay wedding, you're not going to be legally allowed to say no to any other occassion either.

[ignoramus]

Deb, I hope I'm wrong but I'm reading between the lines that

"If you're not legally allowed to say no to making a cake for a gay wedding, you're not going to be legally allowed to say no to any other occassion either"

Because nothing can be worse than making a cake for a gay couple, right?

I think you're a closet bible bigot ...

Please explain.

[Catholic_Lady]

In answer to C_L, I'd bake the fucking cake. I understand that if I open a business to the public, to remain viable I must cater to the whims of the public. Would I enjoy baking a cake with a swastika on it? No. Would I serve my clientele without bias? Bet your ass, just like these bigoted shit-stains should.

Equal rights for all means exactly that. If you wish to continue to be treated equally, you must treat others the same.

How would you feel, C_L, if an atheist baker refused to bake your wedding cake because you were a cathy-lick? These people are not discriminating against a cake. They're discriminating against other people.

As I've explained, refusing to bake a cake for a particular person because you don't like who they are, shouldn't be allowed. Refusing to bake a cake for an event or purpose you disagree with, should. So if I walked into a bakery and asked for a birthday cake for myself that said "happy birthday debora" and the baker happened to know I was catholic, he can't turn me away simply bc of who I am. But if I wanted a cake that said "Pro Life!" on it for a pro life fundraiser I was hosting, you can absolutely say no if you are against the pro life movement.

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Deb, I hope I'm wrong but I'm reading between the lines that

"If you're not legally allowed to say no to making a cake for a gay wedding, you're not going to be legally allowed to say no to any other occassion either"

Because nothing can be worse than making a cake for a gay couple, right?

I think you're a closet bible bigot ...

Please explain.

I used the gay wedding cake example because that is precisely what this thread is about, and that is all. I never said "nothing is worse than making a gay wedding cake", neither is that remotely close to how I feel.

Please just read what it actually says. Don't "read between the lines" (whatever that means) incorrectly and then call me a nasty name.