Too many near death experiences

[Abaddon_ire]

Can near death experience stories be made up. Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell . Which seems too good to be true.

You are missing the word "Near".

Near Death Experience = not dead at all.

Why it is that people miss this is beyond me.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Can near death experience stories be made up. Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell . Which seems too good to be true.

You are missing the word "Near".

Near Death Experience = not dead at all.

Why it is that people miss this is beyond me.

I've been trying to point that out to these waterheads for yonks - if the subjects were dead, the experiences would be called 'DEs'. Talk to a wall. 

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Can near death experience stories be made up. 

OFC they can.  It;s a hobby of ours, we do it with regularity.  We call the genre "fiction".

Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? 

Absolutely, they were willing to lie about important shit long before the vehicle of the internet allowed them to more efficiently traffic their lies.

There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell .

There are alot of people who believe in hell...so there's a market and a consumer for it.  It really shouldn;t be surprising.  People from other cultures and religious traditions commonly "report" seeing their own version of an afterlife.

Which seems too good to be true.

Hell seems too good to be true, or all the NDE stories do? 

[Abaddon_ire]

You are missing the word "Near".

Near Death Experience = not dead at all.

Why it is that people miss this is beyond me.

I've been trying to point that out to these waterheads for yonks - if the subjects were dead, the experiences would be called 'DEs'. Talk to a wall. 

Boru

Perhaps it might be that some people are unaware just how trippy being at deaths door actually is. For example, take an unexpected trip to ICU and get all jacked up on serious drugs. Then we might have a basis for a conversation. Because that is one hell of a trip. The amount of looney toons that went through my head was nothing short of astonishingly bizarre. 

But none of it was real.

[c172]

PDV's / pre-death visualizations?

[Succubus]

I thought they were all made up. I'm pretty sure I've only ever watched a couple of NDE YouTube vids and that was because they were recommended as being so bad that they were highly entertaining. I always thought this NDE bollocks was predominantly a vacuum-head new age thing, not religion. I could be wrong though.

[Simon Moon]

You're excluding another possibility. NDEs could simply be hallucinations, which would mean that they were neither fictitious nor lies. 

Boru

Heh   Evolution could have made "black screen's" or a chaotic hallucinations. Evolution is like - "Let's make religious near death experiences instead of non religious to piss off people even more". What a mind****....

Not a mind fuck at all.

When we are badly injured, we have a set of systems that cause: endorphins to be released, blood supply cut off to injured part of the body, mental shock to decrease trauma, etc. All in attempts to assist in our survival.

What worse injury could there be than a dying brain? So, the fact that chemicals are releases that cause hallucinations, is right in line.

The reason why so many people have similar experiences, with variations in details, is that we all have similar brains. The fact that so many NDE have religious content, is due to cultural influences overlaid on top of an otherwise natural phenomena.

Why don't Hindus in India have Christian based NDE's? Curious how Hindus have NDE's with iconography and content based on their religion, huh...

[Abaddon_ire]

PDV's / pre-death visualizations?

I thought they were all made up. I'm pretty sure I've only ever watched a couple of NDE YouTube vids and that was because they were recommended as being so bad that they were highly entertaining. I always thought this NDE bollocks was predominantly a vacuum-head new age thing, not religion. I could be wrong though.

I don't expect that everyone has been in that place, but here is how odd it gets.

I saw a blow-up horse. The kind of toy one deploys at the beach, no legs, yellow base colour, big purple splotches, bobbing along as I watched. I was compelled to follow it, I thought it was god. It said nothing. 

Afterwards, I knew it for the nonsense it was. Turns out it was a character from a stupid kids book belonging to one of my kids.

If one keeps reading those books, the ideas and imagining gets implanted in ones brain. It is surely no surprise that these ideas get wheeled out by ones brain in extremis.

[Aegon]

That said these are most definitely not in the same category as hallucinations in terms of richness, clarity, complexity, and how dramatically they change the lives of those who have experienced NDE's.

Somebody hasn't tried a high dose of LSD or DMT. Hallucinations can be INCREDIBLY rich, vivid, and complex and drastically change people. NDEs are no different.

[Astreja]

Can near death experience stories be made up.

They don't need to be made up.  NDEs appear to be a legitimate neurological phenomenon whereby people in medical crisis imagine an afterlife.

I don't believe for one fucking instant that they actually saw a real afterlife, though.