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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 2:06 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 11:09 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (December 24, 2017 at 9:50 am)FFaith Wrote: Do you think you would still be against abortion if you didn't believe in the soul though? Without the soul, life is not automatically sacred. There are no memories or life experience for the fetus, so the way we look at it, the fetus or "baby" has nothing to lose, really. There's no good reason you should expect us to care about this "baby" losing it's life, because we don't believe a soul is present to make the life sacred.
So then it is just the memories and life experiences that make murder wrong, later down the line?
If something happens to a person and they lose their memories and their lived experience, it still would not be ok to kill them, because they are still experiencing life in the moment. A fetus can't experience life at that level yet. If the person is in a coma and they're unlikely to ever come out of it or if the person is braindead, then yes, the family can pull the plug and end that life.
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 2:08 pm
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(December 24, 2017 at 2:06 pm)FFaith Wrote: If the person is in a coma and they're unlikely to ever come out of it or if the person is braindead, then yes, the family can pull the plug and end that life.
And if there is a very high likelihood that the person will be conscious in the very near future? Ok to end their life then?
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 2:18 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 24, 2017 at 2:06 pm)FFaith Wrote: If the person is in a coma and they're unlikely to ever come out of it or if the person is braindead, then yes, the family can pull the plug and end that life.
And if there is a very high likelihood that the person will be conscious in the very near future? Ok to end their life then?
Definitely not ok to end their life in that situation.
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 2:42 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 12:11 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (December 24, 2017 at 11:52 am)Jane2d Wrote: I have had friends over the years with special needs children, but most of them would not have benefited from a pre-natal test for their childs condition, ie not downs. They love their kids and in general, the kids seem happy. Each of these parents struggle with the future for these children after they are gone/unable to care for these kids.
Given a choice, I would not want to live a life with Downs. There are several chronic medical conditions that I would not choose to struggle with. Quad-para is one.
If I had a downs pregnancy, I would abort. I would consider that as in the best interest of the child.
What if they where two years old? Might as well see how bad it is?
Two years old is irrelevant for the topic. This is about a woman making a choice and whether or not the state should be interfering with that based on subjective conditions.
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 4:14 pm
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Quote:And if there is a very high likelihood that the person will be conscious in the very near future? Ok to end their life then?
Already pointed out this is not the same thing .There is a difference between a broken conscience and not yet having one.
(December 24, 2017 at 2:42 pm)Jane2d Wrote: (December 24, 2017 at 12:11 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: What if they where two years old? Might as well see how bad it is?
Two years old is irrelevant for the topic. This is about a woman making a choice and whether or not the state should be interfering with that based on subjective conditions.
Agreed 
Not to mention it could also get worse. And all you have done is prolonged it's suffering .
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 4:56 pm
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 5:26 pm
(December 22, 2017 at 8:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Way to go Ohio. No, we should not kill babies who have down syndrome. Or spina bifida.
Given that my Ex had two spontaneous late term abortions before giving birth to two healthy children, why exactly did your god hate those children? What exactly was the reason? Those were entirely planned, but your god did not care, prefering to hand out abortions. For no apparent reason.
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 5:37 pm
(December 23, 2017 at 11:33 pm)A Theist Wrote: Hambone is just a chubby little Fucktard.
I'm not little or a fucktard! 
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 5:41 pm
Is it just me, or does anyone else find A Theist's language hilarious and benign rather than derogatory and mean.
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RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 24, 2017 at 5:42 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 5:41 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else find A Theist's language hilarious and benign rather than derogatory and mean.
He's just a poopyheaded douchenozzle with a bad attitude and large ego to make up for his microscopic penis.
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