Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions

[FFaith]

Do you think you would still be against abortion if you didn't believe in the soul though? Without the soul, life is not automatically sacred. There are no memories or life experience for the fetus, so the way we look at it, the fetus or "baby" has nothing to lose, really. There's no good reason you should expect us to care about this "baby" losing it's life, because we don't believe a soul is present to make the life sacred.

So then it is just the memories and life experiences that make murder wrong, later down the line?

If something happens to a person and they lose their memories and their lived experience, it still would not be ok to kill them, because they are still experiencing life in the moment. A fetus can't experience life at that level yet. If the person is in a coma and they're unlikely to ever come out of it or if the person is braindead, then yes, the family can pull the plug and end that life.

[Catholic_Lady]

If the person is in a coma and they're unlikely to ever come out of it or if the person is braindead, then yes, the family can pull the plug and end that life.

And if there is a very high likelihood that the person will be conscious in the very near future? Ok to end their life then?

[FFaith]

If the person is in a coma and they're unlikely to ever come out of it or if the person is braindead, then yes, the family can pull the plug and end that life.

And if there is a very high likelihood that the person will be conscious in the very near future? Ok to end their life then?

Definitely not ok to end their life in that situation.

[Jane2d]

I have had friends over the years with special needs children, but most of them would not have benefited from a pre-natal test for their childs condition, ie not downs.  They love their kids and in general, the kids seem happy.   Each of these parents struggle with the future for these children after they are gone/unable to care for these kids. 

Given a choice, I would not want to live a life with Downs.   There are several chronic medical conditions that I would not choose to struggle with.  Quad-para is one.

If I had a downs pregnancy, I would abort.  I would consider that as in the best interest of the child.

What if they where two years old?  Might as well see how bad it is?

Two years old is irrelevant for the topic.  This is about a woman making a choice and whether or not the state should be interfering with that based on subjective conditions.

[Amarok]

And if there is a very high likelihood that the person will be conscious in the very near future? Ok to end their life then?

Already pointed out this is not the same thing .There is a difference between a broken conscience and not yet having one.

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What if they where two years old?  Might as well see how bad it is?

Two years old is irrelevant for the topic.  This is about a woman making a choice and whether or not the state should be interfering with that based on subjective conditions.

Agreed 

Not to mention it could also get worse. And all you have done is prolonged it's suffering .

[Pat Mustard]

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Re the photo you just can't stop lying can you theist?

The photo shows the aborted foetus that had already (for want of a better term) died in the womb before abortion. It was never going to survive, it had already failed to survive.

And the only thing carrying the foetus would do would cause pain and possible life threat to the mother, the only living person in the equation.

For someone who calls themselves "pro-life" you are very callous about life. But then again, that's the whole point of the whole anti-abortion movement, they don't give two fucks about life. If they were they'd be campaigning for the end to the death penalty, an end to poverty, a nationalised health system, extremely stringent gun laws, tighter speeding and drunk driving regulations and all those other things which contribute to millions of lives avoidably lost every single year.

But the only thing they campaign on is the one thing which is deleterious to women's rights. I wouldn't be surprised if they did get abortion banned their next campaign would be for the re-designation of women as non-wasting chattel and the decriminalisation of marital rape (for illustration purposes in Ireland a woman was legally her husbands property {chattel} until the 1970's and marital rape wasn't criminalised until 1991).

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A) Twenty weeks is not too late. The foetus is not viable outside the womb. That viability figure hasn't budged since the UK set 24 weeks as the limit in the 60s. B) The video is from a fundie anti-abortion group well known and notorious for doctoring and releasing faked videos. This is the group after all which made and released the lying videos accusing PP of selling tissues of aborted foetuses.

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/20-weeks-pregnant

Sorry guys, but this is a baby.  20 weeks is half way through the pregnancy.  The fetus can move, suck its thumb, taste amniotic fluid, and hear mom’s voice.  It is my opinion, from a moral perspective, that 20 weeks is too late to say, ‘eh, I’ve changhed my mind.’

It is not viable outside the womb. At 20 weeks no foetuses survive if childbirth is induced (either naturally or in a hospital setting). The brain is massively underdeveloped, unable to control simple functions like breathing or other automatic systems. The foetus is still two months away from having the brain or nervous system capacity to feel pain. It has no sense of personhood (well this one is problematic to be considered in terms of abortions because it is likely that a baby takes over a year after birth to properly develop a sense of person).

It is not a baby, it is not even close to being a baby.

[Abaddon_ire]

Way to go Ohio. No, we should not kill babies who have down syndrome. Or spina bifida.

Given that my Ex had two spontaneous late term abortions before giving birth to two healthy children, why exactly did your god hate those children? What exactly was the reason? Those were entirely planned, but your god did not care, prefering to hand out abortions. For no apparent reason.

[Edwardo Piet]

Hambone is just a chubby little Fucktard.

I'm not little or a fucktard!

[Silver]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find A Theist's language hilarious and benign rather than derogatory and mean.

[Edwardo Piet]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find A Theist's language hilarious and benign rather than derogatory and mean.

He's just a poopyheaded douchenozzle with a bad attitude and large ego to make up for his microscopic penis.