What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think that a person who answers the question of how life on earth began with "pixies did it" has room to call others childish, lol.

[Whateverist]

I am confident that abiogenesis can not and will not ever be proven because life was created by intelligent design.

I think I see part of the problem with your thinking. You think abiogenesis is the same as spontaneous generation, don't you? Some news for you: it's not. Life isn't some spiritual entity that just spontaneously emerged out of nowhere. It's not even equivalent to consciousness. It's a process that emerged gradually and continues to occur, correlating with process of biological evolution via natural and artificial selection.

Some would say the secret is in the sauce (i.e. chemistry).

[He lives]

I have always wondered why atheist are so adamant about spontaneous generation when there is no proof that it is even possible.

Because life originating from simple molecular structures is considerably more plausible than a super-powered sentient being just being out there, for no particular reason --

Being our father he is there to guide and instruct us so we can become like he is. Life is truly miraculous. There is much we do not know or understand about it. I find intelligent design much more plausible than abiogenesis. There is more to life than the body.

-- and then resorting to the utterly baffling behaviours described in the Bible.  Seriously, planting two magical trees within reach of two unsophisticated humans with no moral knowledge, and then getting upset at them for failing an obedience test that they were incapable of comprehending until after they had failed it?

This was a type to show his children the importance of obedience. God knew that many of his children would choose a path opposite to happiness and many of them have done this because they love themselves more than they love others. Eve was aware she was disobedient. The trees were not magic, but they did contain the requires ingredients whether minerals or enzymes to complete the process.

No, I'll stick with organic chemistry and wait patiently for science to connect the dots.  I'm in no hurry.

[Astreja]

First of all: Stop. Mangling. My. Quotes! Your words are all mixed up with mine. At least have the decency to put yours in a different colour.

Secondly: No decent "father" would kick his kids out of the house for one mistake that they could not have known was a mistake until after they had made it. Your mythology is absurd, your idea of morality is dodgy, and your alleged god is a complete and utter prick unworthy of worship.

Suffice to say that I am not interested in becoming a Christian. Ever.

[Crossless2.0]

Certainly there is no  proof that life was created by spontaneous generation.

Oh, your homeschool science book made it all the way to the 19th Century with Pasteur and Tyndall? How nice for you!

[robvalue]

First of all:  Stop. Mangling. My. Quotes!  Your words are all mixed up with mine.  At least have the decency to put yours in a different colour.

Secondly:  No decent "father" would kick his kids out of the house for one mistake that they could not have known was a mistake until after they had made it.  Your mythology is absurd, your idea of morality is dodgy, and your alleged god is a complete and utter prick unworthy of worship.

Suffice to say that I am not interested in becoming a Christian.  Ever.

It's pretty funny how they think they're selling their religion here, but they're actually just making it sound worse.

[He lives]

[vulcanlogician]

[A bunch of stuff mixed in with what Astreja said.]

Hey man. To quote people point by point write:

Code:

[quote] The text you want to quote from someone else. Then write: [/quote]

Put your own comments outside the quote thingies. That way, it's clear who said what.

There's more information here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-3560.html

[Crossless2.0]

Regarding Tart's OBE study of 'Miss Z', there's this from the Wikipedia article on Tart:

In 1968, Tart conducted an Out-of-body experience (OBE) experiment with a subject known as Miss Z for four nights in his sleep laboratory.[4] Miss Z was attached to an EEG machine and a five-digit code was placed on a shelf above her bed. She did not claim to see the number on the first three nights but on the fourth gave the number correctly.[5][6]

During the experiment Tart monitored the equipment in the next room, behind an observation window, however, he admitted he had occasionally dozed during the night.[7] The psychologists Leonard Zusne and Warren Jones have written that the possibility of the subject having obtained the number through ordinary sensory means was not ruled out during the experiment. For example, when light fell on the code it was reflected from the surface of a clock located on the wall above the shelf. The subject was not constantly observed and it was also suggested she may have read the number when she was being attached to the EEG machine.[5] According to the magician Milbourne Christopher "If she had held a mirror with a handle in her right hand, by tilting the mirror and looking up she could have seen a reflection of the paper on the shelf... The woman had not been searched prior to the experiment, nor had an observer been in the sleep chamber with her — precautions that should have been taken."[7]

The psychologist James Alcock criticized the experiment for inadequate controls and questioned why the subject was not visually monitored by a video camera.[8] Martin Gardner has written the experiment was not evidence for an OBE and suggested that whilst Tart was "snoring behind the window, Miss Z simply stood up in bed, without detaching the electrodes, and peeked."[9] Susan Blackmore wrote "If Miss Z had tried to climb up, the brain-wave record would have showed a pattern of interference. And that was exactly what it did show."[10]

The experiment was not repeated at the laboratory, Tart wrote this was because Miss Z moved from the area where the laboratory was located.[11]

[vulcanlogician]

Crossless ninja'd me. Remember what I said about extraordinary claims? What kind of evidence do they require? This experiment should have been set up under more controlled conditions.