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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 11:37 pm
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(March 20, 2018 at 10:56 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 10:47 pm)He lives Wrote: Did you invent God? God sent us to earth to learn to be like he is.
Everyone is capable of imaginatively inventing a personal god in which to believe, yet the god remains no more real than the monsters imaginatively created beneath one's bed. A god concept is incapable of doing anything except cognitively disassociate one from reality since it is a mere delusion in the mind of the believer.
Yes, I am sure that is your prospective. I have a different perspective because I have seen miracles. Perhaps you have seen them also without realizing it. Muhamed Kahrimanovik can break baseball bats, coconuts and even rocks with his bare hand without breaking a single bone or even his skin.
(March 20, 2018 at 11:10 pm)Hammy Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 1:39 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Poppycock.
Indeed. Utter:
(March 20, 2018 at 10:57 pm)He lives Wrote: I accept all NDE stories that are legit.
Me too. I nearly died once.
Oh wait, you don't mean stories about people who nearly died do you? You don't mean actual near death experiences. You mean some bollocks about someone dying temporarily and coming back. The soul temporarily floating away and coming back.
Sorry but that's a load of old bollocks and souls don't exist. And you know this through extensive study? How many NDE books have you read?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 11:41 pm
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(March 20, 2018 at 11:37 pm)He lives Wrote: I have a different perspective because I have seen miracles. Perhaps you have seen them also without realizing it. Muhamed Kahrimanovik can break baseball bats, coconuts and even rocks with his bare hand without breaking a single bone or even his skin ........wait....wait....wait.........lol?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 11:44 pm
(March 20, 2018 at 11:17 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 10:52 pm)He lives Wrote: I would say that you are not even trying. Have you ever been to an IANDS meeting? How much have you studied NDEs?
I'm plagued by NDE threads all the time in these forums, and I have posted in quite a few. They're easily explicable in terms of human psychology, so there's not an ounce of need to resort to the supernatural for explanations, not unless you're a believer who needs the supernatural explanations to be true for their own psychological comfort.
In other words you have done 0 or little research. However IANDS has done a lot of research and so have many hospitals in more than one country.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 11:46 pm
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Seems like you gave up on arguing against biology and now you're advocating for ghost trips on spirit unicorns. That's straight up retarded.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 11:48 pm
(March 20, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 10:57 pm)He lives Wrote: I accept all NDE stories that are legit. I do understand that what people see in their own NDE is from their own perspective, but each book I have read has shown me another piece of the puzzle.
Their own perspective, eh? I wonder why ...
Because everyone sees things differently. If you were a witness to an automobile accident do you think that all of the other witnesses would have the exact story. I can tell you from experience that they wouldn't.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 11:51 pm
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If one of them told me saint peter lifted a little boy out of the wreckage I'd laugh in his face........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 11:52 pm
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(March 20, 2018 at 11:44 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 11:17 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I'm plagued by NDE threads all the time in these forums, and I have posted in quite a few. They're easily explicable in terms of human psychology, so there's not an ounce of need to resort to the supernatural for explanations, not unless you're a believer who needs the supernatural explanations to be true for their own psychological comfort.
In other words you have done 0 or little research. However IANDS has done a lot of research and so have many hospitals in more than one country.
I have read some stuff from NDE research sites. I just don't see anything compelling about them. They're products of human psychology, not supernatural experiences. You've had vivid dreams, no? Do you attribute them to God just because they contain vivid details?
(March 20, 2018 at 11:48 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Their own perspective, eh? I wonder why ...
Because everyone sees things differently. If you were a witness to an automobile accident do you think that all of the other witnesses would have the exact story. I can tell you from experience that they wouldn't.
Then that lends more credence to naturalistic explanations rather than supernatural ones, and therefore the naturalistic ones are more reasonable to hold to than the latter. If you're interested, look up Bayesian reasoning.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:00 am
(March 20, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 10:47 pm)He lives Wrote:
The reason that NDEs do not bother many atheists, is because they know so little about them.
Other Christians™ aren't even remotely convinced by this whole "nde" song and dance. They think that you're a mouthy asshole who's probably doing damage to the cause.........
Rebuttal?
I have done extensive research on NDEs. I have talked with people who have had them, read close to 100 books, and gone to IANDS meetings. People who have had full blown NDEs have made drastic changes in their lives. There are people are either afraid of or not interested in NDEs.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:02 am
and.....................?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:06 am
(March 20, 2018 at 11:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:I do understand that what people see in their own NDE is from their own perspective
Yeah delusion tend to be subjective . And the puzzle is more of them picking up their shattered reasoning skills .
So, you really haven't done any research and expect to be convincing?
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