Oregon School District forces LGBT kids to read bible as punishment

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Anyone who reads the Bible or the Koran as a moral guide is on the wrong path.

[emjay]

Yep...the thought police are out in force again!

But it's not just thoughts is it? It's thoughts leading to actions or turning a blind eye to actions by others. It would be one thing for me to think you're wrong for defending and endorsing this, but quite another to hit you over the head because of it, or stand by and let someone else do it, wouldn't it? I just don't get you... no sooner do I think you're relatively non-homophobic and empathetic towards homosexuals for a Christian, then you come out defending bullying and discrimination, and at school no less, the most formative time of them all. Where do you really stand on all this?

[Neo-Scholastic]

Yep...the thought police are out in force again!

But it's not just thoughts is it? It's thoughts leading to actions or turning a blind eye to actions by others. It would be one thing for me to think you're wrong for defending and endorsing this, but quite another to hit you over the head because of it, or stand by and let someone else do it, wouldn't it? I just don't get you... no sooner do I think you're relatively non-homophobic and empathetic towards homosexuals for a Christian, then you come out defending bullying and discrimination, and at school no less, the most formative time of them all. Where do you really stand on all this?

My comment has nothing to do with homosexuality. Some article vaguely describes a school incident and Divinity immediately demands not just the teacher be fired BUT TO NEVER WORK AGAIN. And then she wants to personally BANKRUPT the guy.

I am personally disgusted by people like Divinity who are part of a tribalistic outrage machine intent on destroying the livelihoods of anyone who refuses to think and believe as they do. The article she cited does even mention what part of the Bible used to discipline the child. Copying the genealogies would be about as tedious as copying for the dictionary like they made me.

Secondly, following student altercations, usually all participants are disciplined. Teachers cannot figure out who started it and/or who said what to whom. They have to diffuse the situation and that often means isolating all the kids regardless of who was right and who was wrong. Kids lie all the time and just because one said the other called him a homosexual slur doesn’t mean he actually did. Kids aren’t dumb. They’ve picked up on the cues of people like Divinity and know that the fastest most effective way to demonize them is to call them some kind of bigot.

Thirdly, if it is true, the teacher may have made a callous remark but not necessarily. It’s easy to pull one sentence out of a year’s worth of lectures and scream “off with his head”. It’s not easy to teach hormone intoxicated delinquents and also be expected to coddle their feelings and the sensitivities of their over-indulgent parents.

Or maybe the problem is that people like Divinity feel compelled to constantly inject sexuality and social issues into the classroom. Things like this wouldn’t happen if schools focused on teaching real skills like algebra, reading proficiently, writing clearly, and learning the Constitution. But Divinity cannot be bothered to consider the complexities of the modern classroom. She has an agenda and nothing else matters.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Reading the Bible as a punishment for anything seems pretty severe. Sooner have thumbscrews.

Boru

[SaStrike]

Was it hit in the hand or head?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Does it matter?

Boru

[SaStrike]

Of course. Changing the details of the case is sketchy.

[RoadRunner79]

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But it's not just thoughts is it? It's thoughts leading to actions or turning a blind eye to actions by others. It would be one thing for me to think you're wrong for defending and endorsing this, but quite another to hit you over the head because of it, or stand by and let someone else do it, wouldn't it? I just don't get you... no sooner do I think you're relatively non-homophobic and empathetic towards homosexuals for a Christian, then you come out defending bullying and discrimination, and at school no less, the most formative time of them all. Where do you really stand on all this?

My comment has nothing to do with homosexuality. Some article vaguely describes a school incident and Divinity immediately demands not just the teacher be fired BUT TO NEVER WORK AGAIN. And then she wants to personally BANKRUPT the guy.

I am personally disgusted by people like Divinity who are part of a tribalistic outrage machine intent on destroying the livelihoods of anyone who refuses to think and believe as they do. The article she cited does even mention what part of the Bible used to discipline the child. Copying the genealogies would be about as tedious as copying for the dictionary like they made me.

Secondly, following student altercations, usually all participants are disciplined. Teachers cannot figure out who started it and/or who said what to whom. They have to diffuse the situation and that often means isolating all the kids regardless of who was right and who was wrong. Kids lie all the time and just because one said the other called him a homosexual slur doesn’t mean he actually did. Kids aren’t dumb. They’ve picked up on the cues of people like Divinity and know that the fastest most effective way to demonize them is to call them some kind of bigot.

Thirdly, if it is true, the teacher may have made a callous remark but not necessarily. It’s easy to pull one sentence out of a year’s worth of lectures and scream “off with his head”. It’s not easy to teach hormone intoxicated delinquents and also be expected to coddle their feelings and the sensitivities of their over-indulgent parents.  

Or maybe the problem is that people like Divinity feel compelled to constantly inject sexuality and social issues into the classroom. Things like this wouldn’t happen if schools focused on teaching real skills like algebra, reading proficiently, writing clearly, and learning the Constitution. But Divinity cannot be bothered to consider the complexities of the modern classroom. She has an agenda and nothing else matters.

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From the Article:

"There is substantial evidence to support the allegation that the district subjected LGBTQ students to separate or different rules of behavior, sanctions, or other treatment," the letter said.

It is curious, why they picked such weak and flimsy evidence for the articles, when they have "substantial" evidence in regards according to this quote. I would agree with your comments, that some seem quick to demonize and destroy anyone who doesn't fall in, and follow their agenda. Some just seem interested in calling others names.

And I disagree; if they are using Bible reading as a punishment.

[emjay]

Was it hit in the hand or head?

I misread it as head, but it says hand... so my mistake... but that makes no difference to what I was trying to say.

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But it's not just thoughts is it? It's thoughts leading to actions or turning a blind eye to actions by others. It would be one thing for me to think you're wrong for defending and endorsing this, but quite another to hit you over the head because of it, or stand by and let someone else do it, wouldn't it? I just don't get you... no sooner do I think you're relatively non-homophobic and empathetic towards homosexuals for a Christian, then you come out defending bullying and discrimination, and at school no less, the most formative time of them all. Where do you really stand on all this?

My comment has nothing to do with homosexuality. Some article vaguely describes a school incident and Divinity immediately demands not just the teacher be fired BUT TO NEVER WORK AGAIN. And then she wants to personally BANKRUPT the guy.

I am personally disgusted by people like Divinity who are part of a tribalistic outrage machine intent on destroying the livelihoods of anyone who refuses to think and believe as they do. The article she cited does even mention what part of the Bible used to discipline the child. Copying the genealogies would be about as tedious as copying for the dictionary like they made me.

Secondly, following student altercations, usually all participants are disciplined. Teachers cannot figure out who started it and/or who said what to whom. They have to diffuse the situation and that often means isolating all the kids regardless of who was right and who was wrong. Kids lie all the time and just because one said the other called him a homosexual slur doesn’t mean he actually did. Kids aren’t dumb. They’ve picked up on the cues of people like Divinity and know that the fastest most effective way to demonize them is to call them some kind of bigot.

Thirdly, if it is true, the teacher may have made a callous remark but not necessarily. It’s easy to pull one sentence out of a year’s worth of lectures and scream “off with his head”. It’s not easy to teach hormone intoxicated delinquents and also be expected to coddle their feelings and the sensitivities of their over-indulgent parents.  

Or maybe the problem is that people like Divinity feel compelled to constantly inject sexuality and social issues into the classroom. Things like this wouldn’t happen if schools focused on teaching real skills like algebra, reading proficiently, writing clearly, and learning the Constitution. But Divinity cannot be bothered to consider the complexities of the modern classroom. She has an agenda and nothing else matters.

You can't take social and sexuality issues out of the classroom because that's where they're developing; gay kids can no more put their social and sexual development on hold for school than straight kids can. And then faced with bullying on account of that, and the teachers side with or turn a blind eye to the bullies because of their religious beliefs, do you think that's right or wrong? If you were a teacher in that situation, what would you do?

You're right, the article is short and vague... so I'm not calling for blood... but the principle remains the same; if it is true or in similar cases where it is true, would you turn a blind eye to the bullies?

[Minimalist]

I am personally disgusted by people like Divinity who are part of a tribalistic outrage machine intent on destroying the livelihoods of anyone who refuses to think and believe as they do.

Really?  Yet you remain part of an absurd cult which used to burn people at the stake for exactly the same reason and would do so again if ever given the power.  Methinks you are full of shit.