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Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
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RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
(July 11, 2018 at 10:43 am)Drich Wrote: That said the bible never claims to have had a magic made create anything. that is a weak minded/unexamined view of a process you dont want to understand. if you don't understand it it can be swept away without thought or arguement.

And you understand the process of turning dust into human being?! Then "enlighten" me: how do you call a process in which someone takes dust from the ground and turns it into human being?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#72
RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
Or, in the alternative story, takes a rib out of someone?
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#73
RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
Oh there are tons. And this can be a sticky point among Christians even. I know some YEC groups are so emphatic about literal biblical inerrancy that they call into question the Salvation of anyone who holds an allegorical view. I tend to be wary of Ken Ham and Answers in Genesis for this very reason.

Honestly if you were to ask Christians individually how they interpret the two creation stories, outside of the super literal camp, you will get a lot of different insights and perspectives.

It gets interesting when you really start to look into the meanings of things, like the trees for instance. The two trees in the midst of Gan Eden. This can represent choice. Quite literally, do we choose life, or knowledge of good and evil? There's much more to consider here, rather than to assert that "the original sin was two humans eating fruits" and leaving it at that.

But others might see other totally different insights. And that's just on the meaning of the trees, let alone everything else.
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#74
RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
The fact that xtians have been arguing this among themselves since the beginning speaks volumes.  As comic Lewis Black notes, xtians can't be held responsible for that because it is not their book.  Just one more thing stolen from the jews.
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#75
RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
As i said at this point it's as choose your own adventure
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#76
RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
(July 12, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The fact that xtians have been arguing this among themselves since the beginning speaks volumes.  As comic Lewis Black notes, xtians can't be held responsible for that because it is not their book.  Just one more thing stolen from the jews.

Ironically that's one of the main arguments I use when arguing with the more ultra dogmatic variety within my own faith. Why are we arguing about the literal or allegorical nature of Bereishit 1-3 and making claims to salvation about that? We're not Jewish.
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#77
RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
(July 12, 2018 at 7:14 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote:
(July 12, 2018 at 1:10 am)Godscreated Wrote: Your imagination is running away with your intelligence. No one here has proven any contradiction or faults, they only perceive such because they have limited understanding of the Bible. You know, like you accuse me of having limited understanding of science, science deals with the physical and God is spiritual. Apologetics are in place to correct the lies of the atheist community.

GC

In a mere four sentences, you managed to go from perception and limited understanding to lies.  Careful, GC, your slip is showing.

Seems you're full of words with no proof.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#78
RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
(July 12, 2018 at 5:57 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: ...Honestly if you were to ask Christians individually how they interpret the two creation stories, outside of the super literal camp, you will get a lot of different insights and perspectives...

I seriously doubt that.
How many Christians outside of bible innerists (sp) camp are even aware of the problem. How many Christians have even read the thing?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
(July 12, 2018 at 1:33 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(July 12, 2018 at 1:10 am)Godscreated Wrote: Your imagination is running away with your intelligence. No one here has proven any contradiction or faults, they only perceive such because they have limited understanding of the Bible. You know, like you accuse me of having limited understanding of science, science deals with the physical and God is spiritual. Apologetics are in place to correct the lies of the atheist community.

GC

We don't need to "prove" the contradictions.  We can just point you at them and you can read them for yourself.

if you can't prove there are contradictions then you haven't a leg to stand on and thus there is no contradictions.

Valkyrie Wrote:And, once again, in general atheists have a better knowledge of the bible than Christians.  The only ones who come close are Mormons.  Proved through multiple studies.

That's a joke and you know it. I know some Christians know little about the Bible but all Christians realize the truth of scripture. I studied with many different Christians that could run circles around any atheist, I've seen it.

Valkyrie Wrote:Finally, apologetics were invented to make excuses for the shortcomings of scriptures, as pointed out by multiple sources.  And if something needs apologetics, especially if that something eas supposedly written by a perfect being, then that something is fundamentally flawed.

  No they were not , you are now trying to lie to give other atheist the wrong idea, but that's okay they as you will learn the truth one day. There is nothing wrong with the Bible it is the perfect spiritual book for those who want to live with God forever.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
(July 13, 2018 at 1:07 am)Godscreated Wrote: That's a joke and you know it. I know some Christians know little about the Bible but all Christians realize the truth of scripture. I studied with many different Christians that could run circles around any atheist, I've seen it.
-and yet, you cant.  How did that happen?  Maybe you should bring them here to talk for you..so that your shitmouth doesn;t get in the way? It;s important, after all. Your imaginary friend is gonna burn us if we don;t believe. It would be a shame if you were the reason people failed to have faith...don;t you think?
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