Atheist Bible Study 1: Genesis

[Bucky Ball]

It's "hypothesis", you idiot. Have you ever considered getting an education ? 

hy·pos·ta·sis
/hīˈpästəsəs/
noun

1. 1.
   MEDICINE
   the accumulation of fluid or blood in the lower parts of the body or organs under the influence of gravity, as occurs in cases of poor circulation or after death.
   
2. 2.
   PHILOSOPHY
   an underlying reality or substance, as opposed to attributes or that which lacks substance.
   
   

The Jews were NEVER "in captivity" in Egypt. Egypt did not "keep slaves" for their work projects. Archaeology knows that. 
There is NO EVIDENCE Jews were ever in captivity in Egypt .....

But thank you for that .... I now get the totally ignorant level of knowledge of history you have. It's about 3rd Grade. 

Egypt controlled and ruled the ENTIRE Near East. Why would the Jews go from one place they controlled to another the Egyptians controlled, in an attempt to "escape". 
The fact is, your Bible is totally bogus, historically. They made it up. 

What IS is interesting, is that Israel DID force males to work for the king one month a year. They HATED it. And it is the reason the Northern Kingdom broke from the Southern Kingdom. When they "wrote" the "story", they made it look like they "escaped" .... but in fact it was their OWN king's policies they hated.  

From a paper I wrote : (which will be posted eventually in it's entirety). 

"Just as the Confederacy is "remembered" in US history, in nostalgic terms by the defeated, so in the time of Solomon, the Jewish Tribal Confederation .. (before the kingship was established) was "remembered" and many resented the changes and hated the monarchy and "remembered" the "old days" of the independent Tribal Era. The Kingdom of Solomon had come from the unification of the Tribal territories with the new territory which David had conquered in the South. Solomon was a master politician. Literally every king in the ancient Near East was his father-in-law, as he had multiple wives, and contributed to his building projects. Solomon taxed everyone, but spent more, and gave more to his tribe in Judah. He neglected the North, which already resented him for his treatment of Abiathar, (the priest). Solomon did two more things which made him hated by the North. He "gerrymandered" 12 administrative "districts" which did NOT correspond to the old tribal territories, in an attempt to "confuse" the old tribal boundaries, for tax purposes, which did NOT include Judah, and he instituted a policy of "missim", or forced physical labor for his building projects. Males had to give a month a year of labor to the king. Sound familiar ? Forced labor. In the Book of Exodus, the Egyptian supervisors were named as "officers of the missim". Is it possible the words in Exodus were meant to insult Solomon, when they were later written, and specifically refer to HIM ? Hmm. When Solomon died, his son Rehoboam goes North to be crowned, and the elders ask him if he is going to continue the hated policies of Solomon, and he says "Yes". Immediately the Northern Tribes secede. The leaders of the North also stoned, and they killed the chief of the "missim". They HATED the forced labor policy. 

Remember ... no Bible exists yet. It has not even been started. 

So after the secession, Rehoboam ruled only Judah, in the South, and also over the smaller tribe of Benjamin, which Judah dominated. In the North, they chose a king named Jeroboam, and thus the Kingdom of David became two kingdoms. The two similar, but different names had at least a partial meaning of "he who expands his area/territory", or "king who conquers more lands". Jeroboam made the old seat in Shechem his capital in the North. Rehoboam remained in Jerusalem, in the South. 

The very TOP Israeli archaeologists (who have THE MOST to gain or lose with the story being CONFIRMED), have denied almost ALL the major elements of "Bible history". 
They simply wrote it as "myth", ... in the sense that the famous German theologian, Rudolf Bultmann, presents "mythology" as the way the ancients present what they thought was "truth" ... a truth deeper than historical details. The tragedy of American Fundamentalism, as espoused by Literal Evangelicalism, is they miss the forest for the trees. 

fake news... but at least everything was spelled ok.. guess that means you can still be considered to be smart in your circles even if everything you believe is foolishly wrong..
this establishes a time line that highly contradicts you it also puts the Jews as slaves in egypt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJZ9QQv6gCk

avaris and proof Joseph and the Jews lived here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLNiftDZXYA

and if you have the huevos to have your whole little world rocked in great detail with examinations of many many different points of evidence here is a longer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEm-ovpMM5c

Now understand the difference between what you posted and what the videos have??? REAL EVIDENCE do you know this word??? it is the difference betwenn you making crap up/fake news and a very likely interpretation of what actually went down.

Lest you can bring some evidence to the party that counters what has been offered via the videos just keep your speculative nonsense to yourself..

I did. THE best archaeologists and scholars known. (Of course you don't know them as you're a "fake expert". 
You Fundy crap videos are ALL Fake News. 
The Jews themselves know the Exodus is all bogus, (as my link PROVES) and YOU have not a shred of evidence for it. 

Almost a million people wandering around in a desert ? LMAO. 
NOT ONE shred of evidence they were ever there. 

History KNOWS (no matter what your crap videos make up) that EGYPT controlled the entire Near East INCLUDING Canaan ... why in hell would they go from Egypt to Canaan when Egypt was the master of Canaan ALSO. 

Yeah ... you got nothing. Your holy book is nothing but mythology. 
A person who doesn't know the difference between an hypothesis and what hypo-stasis is ought to be going back to get a GED, not pretending they actually know something.
BTW, you exposed yourself for the lying troll you are. From the time I posted it, to your response, there was not time to watch even part of the video.
Lying for Jesus is still lying.
Again, are the likes of you the best your Jebus can do. Please pray he sends someone competent. You're fighting OLD settled fights that are LONG AGO settled. No scholar actually still buys into the Exodus.
You're about 50 years behind the times.

You yourself did not take even ONE actual historical point in everything I wrote, and, with evidence, explain why it's wrong. You are not competent to do so. All you can do is post crap you are not capable of justifying or explaining.

Some REAL history

Simcha Jacobovici is NOT an archaeologist, nor is he in any way an expert on anything relevant. 
"His parents were from Iași, Romania.[1] Simcha Jacobovici earned a B.A. in Philosophy and Political Science (with honors) from McGill University and an M.A. in International Relations from the University of Toronto. He is an Adjunct Professor of Religious Studies at Huntington University,[2] an affiliate of Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario. Jacobovici has been a guest lecturer at numerous conferences and on various campuses including Yale University, Johns Hopkins University, McGill University, UCLA and . He is married and the father of five children." He's not even trained in the Bible. Do try harder finding some evidence. 

The evidence I posted was from actual experts.

[unfogged]

  empty conjecture and proofless speculation..

No, that'd be religion, but I appreciate the irony. It is always funny as hell when theists demonstrate a complete lack of self-awareness.

[ronedee]

Sorry, late to the show but here is the meaning of Genesis 1.1

1. In the [beginning] God created, the [Heaven] and the [Earth].

There you have it: Time - Space - Matter.... in the proper order I might add! All dependent on each other.

God isn't dependent on any of these items. We are! And to think God is subject to His own creation is dumb. 
Saying "before the beginning", is doing just that. Nothing "but" God predates time!

If you want to understand God, you have to first think like Him!


Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


.... more later! maybe

[Cod]

God isn't dependent on any of these items.

How very convenient.

[Bucky Ball]

Sorry, late to the show but here is the meaning of Genesis 1.1

1. In the [beginning] God created, the [Heaven] and the [Earth].

There you have it: Time - Space - Matter.... in the proper order I might add! All dependent on each other.

God isn't dependent on any of these items. We are! And to think God is subject to His own creation is dumb. 
Saying "before the beginning", is doing just that. Nothing "but" God predates time!

If you want to understand God, you have to first think like Him!


Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


.... more later! maybe

We know what the Hebrew cosmos looked like, and what they knew about it.
It's is entirely intellectually dishonest to attempt to claim that there was any knowledge of "space, time or matter" in the Hebrew knowledge base. None. You have none. It's delusional.

Too bad for you, "created" is an action verb, and without time already in place, it's meaningless. How can one "start to create" when no time exists ? "Creation" is a meaningless term until these are explained.
Did your god intend to do this ? If so, THAT required time already in place, and renders the words "created time" meaningless. 
Don't bother to tell us that your god is special, and exists outside space-time ... that's special pleading and meaningless.
What qualifies you to tell anyone what an ancient Near Eastern text means or says ? Do you interpret Harry Potter also ?
This very "coming into existence" was pointed out to W Craig by Dr. Seam Carroll in their debate. Craig had no answer for him.

You have no evidence for any of this. 

Using the Bible to prove ANY Biblical/religious idea is circular. What did you THINK they were going to say ?

[Minimalist]

avaris and proof Joseph and the Jews lived here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLNiftDZXYA

Dripshit, only a fucking moron like you would use an assclown like Simcha Jacobovici to try to prove a point.  What do you have next?  Ron Wyatt?

How can any one person be as fucking stupid as you?


Don't you know that Jacobovici also thinks he found jesus' body in a tomb in Talpiot?  Be careful which nutty jews you cite as evidence.  Jacobovici is as big a shithead as you are.

[Angrboda]

avaris and proof Joseph and the Jews lived here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLNiftDZXYA

In Exodus Decoded filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici suggested that Yaqub-Har was the Patriarch Jacob, on the basis of a signet ring found in the Hyksos capital Avaris that read "Yakov/Yakub" (from Yaqub-her), similar to the Hebrew name of the Biblical patriarch Jacob (Ya'aqov). Jacobovici ignores the fact that Yaqub-Har is a well-attested pharaoh of the Second Intermediate Period; and Yakov and variants are common Semitic (not just Hebrew) names from the period. Furthermore, Jacobovici provides absolutely no explanation as to why Joseph would have a signet ring with the name of his father Jacob, and not his own, which is a modern-day equivalent of signing legal contracts with a signature of one's father.

Wikipedia || Yaqub-Har

[Minimalist]

Jacobovici is much like Dripshit in that he ignores everything that disputes his own fantasies.

In that they are two of a kind.

Fucking assholes.

[GrandizerII]

Drunken Noah
Genesis 9:18-29

Basically, Noah gets drunk at some point in his life and lays down naked in his tent. His youngest son, Ham, spots him in the nude and then tells his two brothers (Shem and Japheth) about it. Shem and Japheth then carefully walk into the tent to cover their father with some a garment (without peeking, of course). Then when Noah finally got sobered up and realized what had happened, he curses not Ham but Ham's son Canaan, and he blesses Shem and Japheth. Not sure what poor Canaan ever did to him, but this does contribute to why Canaanites were despised by the ancient Israelites, I suppose.

In the last verse, we see Noah finally die (at the age of 950). And thus endeth the story of Noah.

Noah was surely a legendary figure in his own right. He was the only one deemed righteous by God in a time when everyone else was wicked and had nothing but wicked thoughts. He somehow was able to build an ark that would survive the great flood and fit all required animals despite its tightness. He was the the leading recipient of the first covenant between God and the human race. During his time, death penalty apparently became a thing; so did the eating of animal meat. Also, it probably rained the first time during his lifetime. In addition, he was probably the first to plant a vineyard and get drunk like hell. And despite everything, was able to live a really long life, longer than even that of Adam.

These myths have been entertaining to [re]read thus far. It'll be just as good throughout the rest of Genesis.

[unfogged]

Sorry, late to the show but here is the meaning of Genesis 1.1

1. In the [beginning] God created, the [Heaven] and the [Earth].

There you have it: Time - Space - Matter.... in the proper order I might add! All dependent on each other.

If they are dependent on each other how can there be a "proper order"?
How is time or space dependent on matter?

God isn't dependent on any of these items. We are! And to think God is subject to His own creation is dumb. 
Saying "before the beginning", is doing just that. Nothing "but" God predates time!

If you want to understand God, you have to first think like Him!


Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


.... more later! maybe

If his thoughts are not our thoughts then we can't think like him so by your logic we can't understand him. Basically you have managed to prove that if the god you believe in exists you can't know anything about it and therefore have no grounds to believe. Good job!