Would They Die for a Lie?

[YahwehIsTheWay]

I've never had any use for apologetics as I think it is only for those of puny faith. Trying to use reason or facts is playing in the atheist's domain. That said, since they seem to be popular, I can't think of anyone more qualified on this forum to present the common apologetic arguments than myself. 

First, let's start this series with my favorite:

1. Would They Die For A Lie?

Let's begin with this gem, which is my favorite because there's absolutely no history of crazy religious nuts dying for their beliefs unless those beliefs really are true. 



No, no, no, that doesn't count. That's Islam. Ours is the One True Faith. Big difference. 



Well, duh, obviously those were just crazy cultists and they don't count either. 

But the early Christians, they knew The Truth (and don't forget to capitalize the T) so clearly that's different. 

The early Christians were persecuted by the Romans. We know this because of all the video footage captured by Hollywood, recordings that had been miraculously preserved for 2000 years. 





So with such powerful folklore, how can anyone deny our mythology?

And if you're still not convinced, I have several more arguments that you've probably heard a million times already but not with my spectacular delivery...

[Drich]

I've never had any use for apologetics as I think it is only for those of puny faith. Trying to use reason or facts is playing in the atheist's domain. That said, since they seem to be popular, I can't think of anyone more qualified on this forum to present the common apologetic arguments than myself. 

First, let's start this series with my favorite:

1. Would They Die For A Lie?

Let's begin with this gem, which is my favorite because there's absolutely no history of crazy religious nuts dying for their beliefs unless those beliefs really are true. 



No, no, no, that doesn't count. That's Islam. Ours is the One True Faith. Big difference. 



Well, duh, obviously those were just crazy cultists and they don't count either. 

But the early Christians, they knew The Truth (and don't forget to capitalize the T) so clearly that's different. 

The early Christians were persecuted by the Romans. We know this because of all the video footage captured by Hollywood, recordings that had been miraculously preserved for 2000 years. 





So with such powerful folklore, how can anyone deny our mythology?

And if you're still not convinced, I have several more arguments that you've probably heard a million times already but not with my spectacular delivery...

what makes you think any of the above died for alie? 

There are three things that drive religion.

Society. meaning society answers the prayers and becomes the hand of said religion. However once the society dies so goes the gods. For those who believe in a society based religion theirs is real because the society makes the god real. when society dies so too do the gods die. think ancient egypt or greece or Rome.

prophets make religions real. in that these men are regarded as being from God and in turn can often time do miraculous things. when the prophet dies so too does the religion typically die.

Then you have demonic influence, meaning there is a supernatural force at work but itis not God. Put a prophet lke joseph smith infront of a demonic influence and you have a mormon church or Islam. 

Then there are two cases where God established a out reachto man, once through the law and again without the law.

what makes and separate religion is the end goal and what is promised/can be verified in this life.

For instance the goal of islam is to convert or kill everyone in the word not of islam, and all reward and contact with 'god' come in the afterlife. this is faith alone religion. If you die in this cause you will automatically goto their heaven with full rewards!!! can you believe this religion is true? yes, why because to an extent/what can be verified can be demonically supported through society. Meaning on the religious side they can produce signs and wonders to support a suicide bomber should bomb a certain target and on the societal side their family gets a huge cash pay out and societal praise. So basically everything their religion can possible verify is found to be true.

The key to determine if the religion truly serves God is in the mission statement of the religion... what is it's primary goal? TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD AND TO KILL ANYONE who opposes this.

This mission speaks to the pride of a specific people who has been treated like dirt by the God of the bible in favor of it's enemy. This seems to me like a plea or a deep stroking of an ego,than a God looking for worship. because it opposes everything God has ever said through a prophet or apostle, not only that everything that can be verified can only be done in this life, and no one talks to God/God never speaks to anyone as a matter of rule..

So again everything in islam can be vetted, but what seperates a God based religion and a demonic/soceity based religion is it's primary goal.. Concouring the world... Why would God need this?

The David Koreshe group was a simple example of a phophetic church. he showed his followers everything they needed to see to cast off this world and follow him. where we know it is fake is that after he died his religion died with him..

Your fatal error is you do not understand what the different religions believe and you lump everyone under the same basic house of 'Religion.'

In that You have a deity, he demand good things from you in return you get to live well in the after life. You do bad you get punished here and sent to some sort of hell.

Would you believe none of the three major religions believe that exact thing? again you have homogenized three different beliefs systems. and in doing so obscured all three.

The jews do not believe in any after life at all.

Christianity is not based on morality (doing good or bad) but relationship directly with God.

This is the key to determining whether or not this religion is based on society or if it is base demonically or whether it is based in truth.

Promise #1 the here all and end all to all other religions. God promises to deal with the individual directly. no filters no priests no prophets! just you and God IF you meet Him on His terms. This eliminates all societal influences (which is why Christianity thrived in places like china where society made it illegal for 60 some years and when the ban was lifted there were 6 or 7 million people worshiping on their own.) Demonic influences can be eliminated by determining the church's end Goal (which is to Love our lord God with all of our being and our neighbors as our selves and to spread this message) this is in stark contrast to take over the world and kill anyone who opposes you. Not to mention we are about a 12 societies removed from the society of origin and 2000 years removed from the original source/Jesus. so this is not a social nor a prophetic fueled religion.


People die for their truth in religion everyday. The problem comes in is what they WANT TO BELIEVE in who God is.

Save the world souls through love for God and our fellow man, or death to all infidels!

[Minimalist]

There are three things that drive religion.

Yup.  Money.  Power.  Sex.

[Drich]

There are three things that drive religion.

Yup.  Money.  Power.  Sex.

as religion is a man made power structure.. yes. no different than any other man made power structure.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Yup.  Money.  Power.  Sex.

as religion is a man made power structure.. yes. no different than any other man made power structure.

And "gods" prop up those man-made power structures. That's all they do.

[Drich]

as religion is a man made power structure.. yes. no different than any other man made power structure.

And "gods" prop up those man-made power structures. That's all they do.

example?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And "gods" prop up those man-made power structures. That's all they do.

example?

LOL You are an idiot.

[Drich]

example?

LOL You are an idiot.

I'm not the one who can't back my claim when asked... So then what does that make you, if asked you can't back your claim???

[DeistPaladin]

Pity this relationship is one way. Yahweh never seems to pick up the phone.

[Divinity]

There are three things that drive religion.

Yup.  Money.  Power.  Sex.

Four.  You forgot Hate.