Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it

[Agnostico]

Nope.

You are clearly not a parent.

You are obviously avoiding the whole notion of spontaneous abortion.

You seem to have some happy clappy idea that it all just works because magic.

From 50 years experience, I can tell you that it does not work like that at all. Not even close.

The religious inflict all manner of horror upon women. It's their MO.

I have no need of your trite religious platitudes. I have lived that nightmare. I have two fine healthy children. But their predecssor was spontaneously aborted. We wept bitter tears. A child. A planned child. A child that we named and even had a relationship with.

And your god saw fit to kill it.

That makes your god a c**t. He/she/it/housecat does not care. You believe in a deity who is randomly cruel. 

Grant a child to loving parents? Who will love and cherish and provide for such a child? Nope. Your god apparently prefers to allow the birth of children that will suffer in agony. Because he likes it.

All that superstitious nonsense tells anyone is that your superstition is more important to you than anyone's life, let alone children.

This is what religion does to you. It makes you abdicate normal human morals in favour of some imaginary Santa Claus that fixes everything while fixing nothing.

Frankly, you sound like a kid.

Whah   Whah Whah...

[The Architect Of Fate]

Nope.

You are clearly not a parent.

You are obviously avoiding the whole notion of spontaneous abortion.

You seem to have some happy clappy idea that it all just works because magic.

From 50 years experience, I can tell you that it does not work like that at all. Not even close.

The religious inflict all manner of horror upon women. It's their MO.

I have no need of your trite religious platitudes. I have lived that nightmare. I have two fine healthy children. But their predecssor was spontaneously aborted. We wept bitter tears. A child. A planned child. A child that we named and even had a relationship with.

And your god saw fit to kill it.

That makes your god a c**t. He/she/it/housecat does not care. You believe in a deity who is randomly cruel. 

Grant a child to loving parents? Who will love and cherish and provide for such a child? Nope. Your god apparently prefers to allow the birth of children that will suffer in agony. Because he likes it.

All that superstitious nonsense tells anyone is that your superstition is more important to you than anyone's life, let alone children.

This is what religion does to you. It makes you abdicate normal human morals in favour of some imaginary Santa Claus that fixes everything while fixing nothing.

Frankly, you sound like a kid.

Whah   Whah Whah...

If your referring to yourself then yes you have been owned over and over and over and over.......

[Agnostico]

If your referring to yourself then yes you have been owned over and over and over and over.......

Ouw

We already have well all you have done is repeat "it's bad " over and over so stuff tough talk

Yu

Because i's a solution

Nu

No one ars what you cave dweller cult condemn nor is it a problem

Ye

Which is just as bad

No

Baseless assertions no arguments

Yiu

No it's in fact your religion that can't in a way that's not fallacious or arbitrary .We on the other have no problem with this .So kindly shut up

Nio

And even granting all that it still justifies nothing

Briu

Now watch him write a wall of assertions or fallacies and proclaim himself  right.That seems to be his style

Chiu

That's a generous assessment

me

Nah there is nothing amusing about producing sound pro choice .But it is funny to watch dishonest  apologists like you lie about it

Yiu

Nope wrong

Nope

Nope but your  dishonest

Yiu

No one cares what an apologist hack thinks and you possess no such morality

Cru

Yup which is you problem not ours

Yu

No one gives a damn what your pimative book of bullshit presupposes

Iu

Atheism isn't a system and yes an atheist can .It's Theism that lacks any justification of why we should give a damn

Driu

Nope these are not you ideals nor can you justify them

Yiu

Aheism isn't a worldview it's rejection of one .And pro choice is a light spot on the other hand Islams desire to have domination over women is your dark spot

Nio

Yes there is and your attempts at playing mind reader fails

Explaining REAL morality to a delusional goddist is futile .They are to brainwashed to get it

[The Architect Of Fate]

If your referring to yourself then yes you have been owned over and over and over and over.......

Ouw

We already have well all you have done is repeat "it's bad " over and over so stuff tough talk

Yu

Because i's a solution

Nu

No one ars what you cave dweller cult condemn nor is it a problem

Ye

Which is just as bad

No

Baseless assertions no arguments

Yiu

No it's in fact your religion that can't in a way that's not fallacious or arbitrary .We on the other have no problem with this .So kindly shut up

Nio

And even granting all that it still justifies nothing

Briu

Now watch him write a wall of assertions or fallacies and proclaim himself  right.That seems to be his style

Chiu

That's a generous assessment

me

Nah there is nothing amusing about producing sound pro choice .But it is funny to watch dishonest  apologists like you lie about it

Yiu

Nope wrong

Nope

Nope but your  dishonest

Yiu

No one cares what an apologist hack thinks and you possess no such morality

Cru

Yup which is you problem not ours

Yu

No one gives a damn what your pimative book of bullshit presupposes

Iu

Atheism isn't a system and yes an atheist can .It's Theism that lacks any justification of why we should give a damn

Driu

Nope these are not you ideals nor can you justify them

Yiu

Aheism isn't a worldview it's rejection of one .And pro choice is a light spot on the other hand Islams desire to have domination over women is your dark spot

Nio

Yes there is and your attempts at playing mind reader fails

Explaining REAL morality to a delusional goddist is futile .They are to brainwashed to get it

Defect confirmed      


I think his brain has melted now his just discharging

[Mister Agenda]

Agnostico seems to be turning into Drich before our very eyes....

[The Grand Nudger]

No change is involved, lol.

[no one]

Why is this joint so close to the asshole factory?

[R00tKiT]

That's something that -you- think, not something that atheists think.  Your own inability to understand why the differences in life lead to different moral conclusions about how we treat life is your own problem, and not atheist's problem.  

Any human being with two brain cells to rub together can recognize a moral difference in using a hedge trimmer on a bush, and a human hand.  It doesn't matter whether or not gods exists, and obviously we don't need to talk about gods to show why that would be a problem.  We need only refer to the differences between a bush and a human being.  

Hoping to offer some criticism of atheism, instead...you've indicated that you..personally, would not know why that was wrong in the absence of some djinn.  Is that really true? 

You are misrepresenting the argument, that's a cute strawman, btw.

The challenge atheists face is theoretical, we are well aware of that as theists. When you say "recognize moral difference" you're simply begging the question and defer to the common sense of any "human being with two brain cells". Why can't you then, use this same common sense when it comes to wonder, purpose, etc. ? Why are you so practical regarding the moral questions, and so stubbornly theoretical regarding God ?
The fact that we know a priori what is right and what is wrong is an argument in the theist camp, so make sure you remember that in your next answer.

Sure they can.  More to the point, supposing god has no bearing on objective moral values anyway.  Either things are morally true with respect to facts about the object or act....moral realism - or they are true with respect to facts about some subject - their attitudes, feelings, and wishes.  Moral subjectivism.

I just finished reading the stanford encyclopedia stuff about moral realism. It's a big begging-the-question morality you have there, any "morally true fact about the object" is a bald assertion, you have nothing to back it up. You have a cold and sober materialistic world with no good and bad tags, you need to deal  with that. That's your atheism. Saying that moral facts = mathematical facts again goes back to very debatable premises.

[Pat Mustard]

Agnostico seems to be turning into Drich before our very eyes....

You could say he is ... evolving! YEEEEEEAAAAAAAH!!!!

[The Grand Nudger]

The fact that we know a priori  what is right and what is wrong is an argument in the theist camp, so make sure you remember that in your next answer.

I don't know that we do.  We certainly spend alot of time on our children explaining right and wrong, however we refer to it.  However, assuming that a priori knowledge is required, why would that be a problem?  Does gods existence have anything to do with whether or not there are married bachelors?

I just finished reading the stanford encyclopedia stuff about moral realism. It's a big begging-the-question morality you have there, any "morally true fact about the object" is a bald assertion, you have nothing to back it up. You have a cold and sober materialistic world with no good and bad tags, you need to deal  with that. That's your atheism. Saying that moral facts = mathematical facts again goes back to very debatable premises.

If you say it's question begging, then so be it.  However, if you're rejecting moral realism, you're rejecting the notion of moral facts.  In any case, atheism is a position about gods, not morality.  Atheists can (and do) subscribe to any and every category of moral system ever described by man. This makes any "how can atheists do/say x" question a bit absurd on it's face - we'd have to be more specific. Still, as a question of whether and how...answers are simple to find.

If..however, you would rather argue that atheists are wrong....I'll refer you to the above - your rejection of moral facts as question begging.