Oregon Journalist Andy Ngo Attacked By Antifa Members

[The Grand Nudger]

We’re using our highest ideals of freedom of expression to avoid what we (rightly) fear could get ugly if we took seriously for what it is.

Obviously, nazi shitstains could screech to high heaven about their master race horseshit to a friendly audience. There’s a reason they need to march in people’s neighborhoods. It sends an unmistakable message of privilege and institutional assent.

We’re here, talking about getting rid of you....and the cops are on our side. You aren’t safe anywhere.

People keep expecting them to show up like goobers, but modern white supremacy is media savvy.,. and knows how their targeted audiences tick. Optics, optics, optics.

[EgoDeath]

You're either being purposefully disingenuous or you're incredibly dense. When you assault someone, nothing else you have to say on that specific issue matters. I don't think I needed to clarify that, and I'll just assume you're being purposefully disingenuous. When you punch someone in the face without provocation and then say, "Yea but he did X, Y and Z and I was just - " Nope. I have nothing else to hear from you on that matter. You punched someone who was unarmed and showing no signs of aggression. You're a punk. And anyone who sticks up for you or, for that matter, tries to give reasons why you're unprovoked physical assault might be okay or excusable is a punk too.

And... no... Naming someone who has already been on the news and is a public activist in their area is NOT doxxing. Period.

And, once again, that there may be a personal element to the attack doesn't mean that the core issue isn't political differences. Because that's what it is. And okay. Fine. It wasn't JUST political. A car accident isn't JUST the two cars involved in the accident. A murder isn't JUST a knife going through someone's heart. Split hairs all you want, you're missing the point entirely.

All of this STEMS from political differences. Period.

edit: Despite our disagreement here, I am in no way defending the position that Ngo is some great person... nor am I even denying that he's a bad person. But being a bad person doesn't mean you should be assaulted without provocation. I don't care what the circumstances are... who got doxxed, who didn't who did this that and the third... I don't give a fuck. We have assault laws for a reason. You can't just decide that you personally get to assault another human because you feel what they did or said was wrong. And if you think it's okay to do so, you're the problem.

Since when do we feel it's okay to question the victim? Undoubtedly, Ngo IS the victim here. Bringing up reasons why he MIGHT of been assaulted only feels like victim-shaming. It's nonsense.

And hey, maybe he's a bad guy. Maybe he did some shitty stuff. Doesn't mean you can walk around and punch people in the face unprovoked. End of story.

It's said that when someone shows you they are, you should believe them. I believe you.

And I see you. Trust me.

[Little lunch]

OK, so the first 4 points you've said nothing at all.

Nope it was a justified criticism of milk toast moderacy and the fact out of your way to defend horrible people and buy their lame lies and excuses 

And when someone calls you a racist, are you not allowed to defend yourself, or is that what you think virtue signalling is?

Using your spouse friends or relatives  colored statues as props to get you out of the charge of racism is virtue signaling 

You are the biggest virtue signaller here on this site.

Citation needed

'Look at me everyone, I'm so politically correct.'

Citation needed

Certainly more righteous and judgemental than most x-tians here.

Citation needed

When you and your friends get together, you all just poison the atmosphere.

Yup calling out racists and other shitty people is just so poisonous . We should all be like you and Dave Rubin and Sargon Of Akkad and just apologize and make excuses for them and be their doormats .  

I don't believe for one second that y'all give a fuck about any of the minorities.

Considering the people your eager to defend this charge applies to you and considering I am a minority (not using that as a prop their are plenty of self hating native Americans) your saying I don't care about myself . 

You're certainly not doing them any favours.

You defend racists and buy their bullshit excuses 

The sad part is that I think you believe all that.
You know what pisses me off most about what you wrote?
The 'charge' of racism.
How fucking dare anyone 'charge' me with racism.
Fucking how important that person must think they are.
Do they give you little sheriff badges?
You're just a bully, I smelt you ages ago.

Hey, I'll write the first line of your retort.
Blah fucking blah blah blah fucking blah. *Yawn*

[Amarok]

The sad part is that I think you believe all that.

Yes I do believe it because it's the case . What's even sadder is you don't realize it .

You know what pisses me off most about what you wrote?
The 'charge' of racism.

Too bad I never charged you with being a racist I said you were their doormat and eager too make excuses for them . But that doesn't make you a racist

How fucking dare anyone 'charge' me with racism.

I didn't

Fucking how important that person must think they are.

I don't 

Do they give you little sheriff badges?

Nope

You're just a bully, I smelt you ages ago.

Nope I just have zero tolerance for Dave Rubin/Sam Harris / Sargon/ Wannabe's 

Hey, I'll write the first line of your retort.
Blah fucking blah blah blah fucking blah. *Yawn*

Funny that actually sounds like the first line of yours we could just replace you with random clip of Dave Rubin and we would get just as much content complete with whining about  supposed bullying

[Little lunch]

Yeah, I'm done with you.

Hey everyone else, we really need to start making a stand against people like this.
They lie and distort facts to promote their own agendas.
I'm just saying, when you see this guy attacking people and judging their whole identity based on a thought that differs to his, call him out on it.
At the very least, don't be his lap dog and come in barking because you heard him raise his voice.

Lastly, I don't have any real animosity towards these people.
I believe their false justifications come from a real yearning to help the unprivileged, but I think it also comes from a deep resentment of how they are portrayed by their opposition.
Weak and emotional snowflakes.
It grates on my nerves too, but it doesn't justify violence or deceit.

[Amarok]

Yeah, I'm done with you.

Very well 

Hey everyone else, we really need to start making a stand against people like this.

Against people who call you out for being an Rubin mini me . Not sure how that would go 

They lie and distort facts to promote their own agendas.

So far that would be you . Though I highly doubt you have an actual agenda .

I'm just saying, when you see this guy attacking people and judging their whole identity based on a thought that differs to his, call him out on it.

Too bad I have not done that . I am condemning them for the idea's they promote and calling them awful for holding and believe they should not protected from the consequences of the harmful things they promote . 

At the very least, don't be his lap dog and come in barking because you heard him raise his voice.

Nobodies my lapdog . Nor do I accept lapdogs . But nor will I reframe from condemning Doormats to  the Alt right or it's allies like you and the rest of Rubin wannabe's

Lastly, I don't have any real animosity towards these people.

Could have fooled me 

I believe their real justifications come from a real yearning to help the unprivileged,

Fixed that for you but this does contradict your earlier statement 

As for the rest  yadda yadda yadda

[Sal]

If someone is attacked, are they a victim?

Not if they made themselves a valid target for the attack

Ah, I see. You're just a butt buddy for bullies.

[Amarok]

Not if they made themselves a valid target for the attack

Ah, I see. You're just a butt buddy for bullies.

Nope but you believe scumbags like Ngo can be bullied  or be victims what does that say about you ?

[Sal]

Ah, I see. You're just a butt buddy for bullies.

Nope but you believe  scumbags like Ngo can be bullied  or be victims what does that say about you ?

Maybe, some day, you will get a tiny hold on introspection long enough to realize what kind of garbage you're spewing.

Until then, some Mitchell and Webb:

[The Grand Nudger]

That skit is a great argument for antifas position. Right or wrong ( in some moral sense).

Broadly, we agree with the intent but reject the methods, laying aside that most people don’t actually have a firm grasp of what antifa does.

Even in this, we reject the methods only insomuch as we tell ourselves it isn’t that bad, yet.

Hiding under that rejection is implicit consent - if it were-. Many people imagine that in that event, they would resist, and resist violently. Even though that’s not true. Every single person is far....far more likely to be the jackbooted arm of an oppressive state than a heroic freedom fighter, if there even is such a thing.

What makes that skit so funny to me is that it’s not so far off base. It’s conceivable that the people in question never thought to ask themselves whether they were the baddies until they were well into a pattern of atrocity, if ever. Are we going to have to reach the point of elimination and war before we ask ourselves the same?

Antifa contends that the likely answer, the historically demonstrated answer, and the answer in current circumstance, is yes. By then, ofc, it’s already too late for the people we’ve failed.

-and I know, I know, violence isn’t the answer, peaceful protest and resistance and all that ( and even within antifa there’s a preference for the same as a product of western culture). I think it’s important to remember that we say that coming from an ideological rather than factual basis. We want it to be true, we endeavor to make it true.... but it isn’t true in any other sense.

That’s why our rejections take the form of implicit and explicit caveats rather than categorical denunciation, even when we’re attempting the latter.