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The ethics of worship
#31
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 12:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(September 17, 2020 at 11:48 am)Drich Wrote: i have no problem with god killing women or children as we in this country do it to our own adversaries. the issue i have is you people are taking a narrative from the bible adding your own personal bits to the bible narrative and then charging god for the bits you added!!!
There you go, lead with that.

All of that hilarious lord of the rings bullshit about a baby-less earth before wasn't just silly..it had no use to you whatsoever.

You don't have a problem with baby killing.  Some of us do.  I'd go out on a limb and say that most people have a problem with that.  Can you see how, for a person who has a problem with baby killing, you and your god are a non-starter?


Quote:only hypocrites or evil people do have a problem killing evil women and children https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzNTzOP5trM&t=22s you can't tell me you have a problem with this.. that this woman and child needed to be killed. that they were evil and wanted to rain an evil act down on the soldiers... if one man can determine the immediate future act of a woman and child and can kill them and it be a good thing... why cant an all knowing god order the destruction of a whole race of people if it meant they would destroy the world?
You could argue that your god existed until you were blue in the face, and you could get it right, and it would still be a babykiller, and you would still be a person who doesn't have a problem with babykilling.  Is this some of that strong christian morality I always hear about?  Did christianity do this to you?  I'm absolutely certain that a person like you could be ordered by a god like yours to exterminate an entire race of people.  I'm entirely certain that a god like yours would think it was good and that you, likewise, would be convinced that you were doing a good thing as you exterminated them.  You don't have to argue that it's possible, it's happened, more than once.

No one ever needs to be killed, Drich.  Killing is an expedient that limited creatures like human beings resort to in order to solve their immediate dilemmas.  Your idea that only hypocrites or evil people have a problem killing evil women and children isn't just false, it's a complete inversion of any sensible moral position.  You, have an immorality system - not a moral system.  One where you search out any excuse or justification for the expediency of evil, however incredulous, and bargle that shit out like the morning call at a goddamned concentration camp.

Next you'll tell us all about how My Lai was a heroic act by holy american forces fully within the remit of Gods Good™ Grace.  Jerkoff

none of you have killing women and children/babies if it is marketed correctly to you. substitute the word baby with fetus and that little bastard does not stand a chance. it will be dead faster than it takes for the ink to dry on the consent forms. not only that his tcells and organs will be harvested and sold before the mother leaves the office. you associate women with terrorism/enemy combatants, ad they are gone just like in the video clip. sell us on the idea that the islamic state is out to get you and genocide is green lit. which is exactly what we are doing now as when this is all over there will be no living members of the islamic state left alive. this will not be like the jews nor the native americans, we will not allow them refuge on reservations or even concentration camps. they must be made to swear allegiance to a host country/not islamic state, or they will be imprisoned and or executed if they resist, and not one of you has ever said boo about this.. so save yourself righteous bs for someone who is stupid enough to play your word games (IE enemy combatant rather than islamic state mother of 6 patriot, or fetus rather than full term baby.) you hand are far more bloody than god's hands will ever be. 1.5 billion babies aborted since just 1980.. unless your saying you are against abortion and a woman's right to choose.
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#32
RE: The ethics of worship
Probably ought to speak for yourself on that one.

Hard to get a hand bloodier than gods, though, don't you think? Not that you think there's anything wrong with god having bloody hands, ofc. He's the ultimate cause of everything that ever has or will happen. I could only be worth a tiny fraction of whatever blood there is on all that. Frankly, if I could kill as many babies as god, how would that low energy babykiller even be a god? I'm guessing he's omni-better at that than I am, like everything else.
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#33
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 1:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Probably ought to speak for yourself on that one.  

Hard to get a hand bloodier than gods, though, don't you think?  Not that you think there's anything wrong with god having bloody hands, ofc.  He's the ultimate cause of everything that ever has or will happen.  I could only be worth a tiny fraction of whatever blood there is on all that.  Frankly, if I could kill as many babies as god, how would that low energy babykiller even be a god?  I'm guessing he's omni-better at that than I am, like everything else.

so you believe that isis should be left to it's own devises/allow to grow and expand at will even through methods of genocide it was using? pick a side.. as i assumed you bought into the marketing as we all do. that isis is evil for destroying everything and every one in it's path, and as a result need to inturn be fully eradicated or converted so no isis citizens are left.. and again what say you about abortion? right or wrong ok or not.. 

Should isis be left alone to do what that people will to do?

Is abortion right or wrong. 

these are one word answers sport. pick one or concede the topic.
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#34
RE: The ethics of worship
Doesn't matter what I believe. You're fine with all of this shit - presumably you're fine when god does it, and when we do it. Some people aren't, in either case.

If you can't understand this you will continue to fail to understand why your evangelism has failed.

Similarly, it doesn't matter whether I believe abortion is right or wrong. I've never had one, and won't be having any. War crimes...also not my jam.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#35
RE: The ethics of worship
The Bible doesn't mention Epstein killing himself. Therefore, Epstein didn't kill himself.
Jesus is like Pinocchio.  He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
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#36
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 11:48 am)Drich Wrote:
(September 16, 2020 at 7:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There's alot of stuff the bible doesn't mention, like basic biology, for example...while it does take time to include the colored sticks theory of livestock genetics.

Obviously, what magic book does and does not contain has no relevance to what was or was not.

I say that, but here we are having a conversation about this silly flood again....so.....

Here's what I think is interesting.  What's the problem with god killing kids?  Ostensibly, if god killed kids, being god, it would be a good kill.  No?

i have no problem with god killing women or children as we in this country do it to our own adversaries. the issue i have is you people are taking a narrative from the bible adding your own personal bits to the bible narrative and then charging god for the bits you added!!!

Are you saying that you evaluate the justness of God's actions on how well it accords with popular morality?



(September 17, 2020 at 11:59 am)Drich Wrote:
(September 17, 2020 at 9:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The Book of Enoch isn't part of the Bible, sport.
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While it may not have a place in cannon it is no different and j[/font]
ust as viable as supporting literature as the books of maccabees (where the jews get hanukkah from and acts as a historical document that completes the time line between the book of isaiah and the book of matthew. enoch fills in from adam to noah.

The people who decided canon say otherwise.



(September 17, 2020 at 1:14 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 17, 2020 at 12:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There you go, lead with that.

All of that hilarious lord of the rings bullshit about a baby-less earth before wasn't just silly..it had no use to you whatsoever.

You don't have a problem with baby killing.  Some of us do.  I'd go out on a limb and say that most people have a problem with that.  Can you see how, for a person who has a problem with baby killing, you and your god are a non-starter?

none of you have killing women and children/babies if it is marketed correctly to you. substitute the word baby with fetus and that little bastard does not stand a chance. it will be dead faster than it takes for the ink to dry on the consent forms. ... 1.5 billion babies aborted since just 1980.. unless your saying you are against abortion and a woman's right to choose.

There are differences between babies and fetuses. Whether or not those differences matter is debatable, but until you can demonstrate that those differences do not matter, then you cannot substitute babies with fetuses and have the same result. You don't get to just ignore inconvenient facts.
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#37
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 1:14 pm)Drich Wrote: unless your saying you are against abortion and a woman's right to choose.

There is nothing wrong with abortion, and most importantly there is nothing wrong with a woman's right to choose. I understand that your morals are not grounded in logic so much as a false divinity. Therefore, people like you should never have any say in what is most reasonable for anyone.
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#38
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 1:33 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Doesn't matter what I believe.  

no.. it kinda does matter what you believe, as you use your beliefs to judge others and god. your beliefs betray you and paint you as a double speaking hypocrite which is why you do not want to discuss what you believe. because you believe only you and people like you have the right to judge others as witnessed by your contempt of god who dare judges man and his followers to a standard out of your reach. and yet you want to hide your own self righteousness when you are caught judging others the same way.. that is top shelf scumbaggery.

(September 18, 2020 at 1:59 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: The Bible doesn't mention Epstein killing himself.  Therefore, Epstein didn't kill himself.
False equivalence!  

(September 18, 2020 at 8:36 am)Angrboda Wrote:
(September 17, 2020 at 11:48 am)Drich Wrote: i have no problem with god killing women or children as we in this country do it to our own adversaries. the issue i have is you people are taking a narrative from the bible adding your own personal bits to the bible narrative and then charging god for the bits you added!!!

Are you saying that you evaluate the justness of God's actions on how well it accords with popular morality?
the opposite. pop culture is used to deem the bible evil, to which i say i do not care as the system of morality used is based in pop culture/self righteousness.

Quote:The people who decided canon say otherwise.
and the people who wrote the NT books that are apart of cannon who COPIED several passages/chapters from the book of enoch and used them as quotes in their canonical books seem to disagree with those who compiled scripture. at least on the bits of the book of enoch they copied.


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There are differences between babies and fetuses.  Whether or not those differences matter is debatable, but until you can demonstrate that those differences do not matter, then you cannot substitute babies with fetuses and have the same result.  You don't get to just ignore inconvenient facts.
only in the propaganda. the word is used so people with 1/2 a conscious left can support the outright murder of babies. as i pointed out in the wv legislation full term "fetuses are born" and if the mother wishes to terminate the fully developed fetus fully born if left in a cold room to die from starvation and exposure. you f-ing monsters are leaving otherwise fully developed babies to die of exposure after it is born and can do so because you call it a fetus. have a mentally disturbed teen mom do the same and leave her baby in a garbage can to die of the same exposure and she get jail time. how can you argue for this level of sheer evil? the baby is out of the womb and WV state legislation which was signed into law by the governor says the state nor any man should have any say in what a woman does with her body... they still claim this baby left to die in another room is a fetus and still part of the woman's body... that's an open face lie and you monster still argue for it. this bs is infanticide and it is made legal by the use of propaganda and terms to support it. if the use of the word fetus allows you to kill a baby no matter where it is in the maturation cycle including full term post birth. you are brain washed. because if you took a 'baby' and put him through the same process it would be a crime.

(September 18, 2020 at 8:52 am)Eleven Wrote:
(September 17, 2020 at 1:14 pm)Drich Wrote: unless your saying you are against abortion and a woman's right to choose.

There is nothing wrong with abortion, and most importantly there is nothing wrong with a woman's right to choose. I understand that your morals are not grounded in logic so much as a false divinity. Therefore, people like you should never have any say in what is most reasonable for anyone.

why don't you reframe the topic back into its original point.. god is a monster for killing babies... i said so are you for supporting abortion as it is the same thing in fact we killed 1.5 billion since 1980 you excuse it because you call a baby a fetus. which byw is 10xs any projected amount of babies the bible mentions god had killed. and shame on you for being on side of a movement that leaves live born babies/still calling them a fetus to die in a room alone of exposure/starvation, then tell me i have no right to say what is right and what is wrong.. check yourself and the facts of the nature of your political ideals before you speak next time.
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#39
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 18, 2020 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 17, 2020 at 1:33 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Doesn't matter what I believe.  

no.. it kinda does matter what you believe, as you use your beliefs to judge others and god. your beliefs betray you and paint you as a double speaking hypocrite which is why you do not want to discuss what you believe. because you believe only you and people like you have the right to judge others as witnessed by your contempt of god who dare judges man and his followers to a standard out of your reach. and yet you want to hide your own self righteousness when you are caught judging others the same way.. that is top shelf scumbaggery.
It really doesn't.  That may be the way that you judge people or gods, by reference to your silly ass beliefs - but that's no more my jam than abortions or warcrimes.  It sounds to me like you (as so many other nutballs) are really getting worn down by being judged.  Griping about the unfairness of it all.  Perhaps you should stop being an asshole and people will stop calling you an asshole?  It's worth a try.  I'll note that it works wonders for other people who do things based on the same silly ass beliefs that you do.  It's not as if you're the only person in the world who thinks that abortion is icky - but thinking as much doesn't make other people do what it makes you do.  All of that, all of you...is optional.  

You're fine with all of this shit.  I am not.  You want to argue with me about why I'm not - but it doesn't matter why I'm not okay with it.  You claimed otherwise, and you're plain and simply wrong, even if you also believe and would like to argue that I'm somehow in the wrong for not being okay with any of it.

That argument would be pointless, since you don't believe in right and wrong to begin with. No amount of telling me that you swallowed propaganda about isis has any bearing on how I make my own moral determinations. You can take it as a safe bet that I don't fall for the same propaganda that you do, at any rate.
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#40
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 18, 2020 at 8:52 am)Eleven Wrote: There is nothing wrong with abortion, and most importantly there is nothing wrong with a woman's right to choose.

Abortion might be legal, but it doesn't follow that there is nothing wrong with it.
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