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The ethics of worship
#21
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 16, 2020 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 14, 2020 at 3:43 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Did noah have all the children on the magic boat too?

At any rate, claims of moral subjectivity which arise as a consequence of excusing your god for evil are unlikely to sway very many people.

what children??? the bible never mentions them/any at the time of the flood. that is an atheist add on.

Were there no children at the time of the flood?
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#22
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 15, 2020 at 5:49 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote:
(September 14, 2020 at 2:42 pm)Drich Wrote: perspective.. you are evil. we all are. none are 'good.' which means your understanding of good and evil are wrong. they are backwards if you see yourself as a good person. Think about it thanos did not see himself as evil or the bad guy, but the savior. God is the opposite of you. meaning if you are good by default this makes god evil in your sight/under your standard of morality. so keep that in mind/filter my answer through this perspective.


1 you do not know any children died in the flood. the narrative never said a single child died. it is presumptuous of you to add to the story. remember the reason for the flood was to kill the nephilim which were taking over the planet (giants/demon human hybrids) that ate humans and people worshiped them. which means offering sacrifices which would have included children. not only that death has no bearing/evil connotation to god. you simply shed this corporeal form and appear before him in a spiritual form. which is to be issued an incorruptible body... if you are a follower. death is only an evil act to evil men who's life now is the only thing keeping them from hell. then to take that life would be the same as sentencing them to hell. that is why death is such an egregious sin to someone like you.. to god he can welcome them back or sent them around again in another life. death only stings the living.

not apart of the narrative. they did construct a idol, but because they lost faith in abraham as he had been gone so long
because there is no point in which a child is safe with a god that demand child sacrifice. only age will free him from the threat of death. God only requires the life of those who would grow up to be monster themselves. which is no different than what we in this society do/demand.. we just have a different way of justifying the obliteration of a child or their mothers for that matter.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzNTzOP5trM
as i pointed out morality is subjective. it means nothing in the scope. the true measure of morality is based on who the strongest is and their will. just like in all of history.. might make right. example we took germans/nazis to trial after wwii for crimes against humanity/killing civilians non combatants/targeting their cities. (the blitz bombing london) while in japan we burned out every major city and town besides the potential nuclear bomb cities. we killed millions, did hap arnold have to defend himself? no he was seen as a hero.. why? because we won the war/might makes right. similarly God is the alpha and omega there is no greater being or force greater than him, his might=right. and if you don't like it, you can literally go to hell.
how hypocritical... you label god a child murder, when he in the scripture clearly state that a given race if not destroyed down to women/children and even farm animals will destroy the world. or in some cases rise up and destroy israel in the future, A god who knows and protects israel or the whole planet from such an evil people is considered a murder by your hypocrisy yet you can pretend to have discernment when a cop luckily shoots a potential hitler in the making.. why would anyone get a pass by getting luck and god gets condemned in your moral judgement when he makes a call and knows without doubt he is killing a people who will destroy the world.
nothing is bungled other than your own heart. you choose to find reason to hate god to assign him the stigma of child murderer when your own culture condones it if the circumstances are right yet will not hear or consider that when God calls for the death of a people he is saving the whole planet from a plague of isis type people.
you are simply talking to the wrong people or dismiss all who do experience god as being crazy/don't count. i can promise you every believer has experienced god is one way or another. some stronger than others but regaurdless the connection is there.

Your poor English is too difficult to read and is not worth the effort or the investment of time.
either way you look neutered because anyone can see my 'english' is good enough for any semi intelligent person to offer a response.. Most people know, you are simply unprepared to answer the reposes given, or you do not understand/never heard the answers given and are completely out of your field.. either way you asked i answered. you taking the time to line by line mock everything is not really needed.
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(September 15, 2020 at 9:16 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: When you have to claim a world with no children to make your narrative not make God look bad....

read the bible sport. it never mentions children at the flood it does mention nephilim (Human demon giants hybrids) and humans worshiping them it also mention nephilim have a taste for human flesh... kinda hard to worship if you've been eaten and even for a demon hybrid it must be hard to eat your mother.. so who is left for sacrifice? none hybrid children/babies.

(September 15, 2020 at 3:32 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(September 15, 2020 at 5:49 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Your poor English is too difficult to read and is not worth the effort or the investment of time.

His claim has been that we are too stupid for him to waste his perfect English on.  That's his story anyway.

stupid in the sense that if i did not show a fault/something for you to focus on so you in your mind can trivialize and dismiss what i have said contextually (something you can ad hom attack) you people lose your minds and next thing i know i'm being banned or people get mad and leave. but if i show myself to be less than perfect, you can still pretend your smarter. which is fine by me so long as we both know the truth you can say what you like.
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#23
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 16, 2020 at 12:43 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 15, 2020 at 5:49 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Your poor English is too difficult to read and is not worth the effort or the investment of time.
either way you look neutered because anyone can see my 'english' is good enough for any semi intelligent person to offer a response.. Most people know, you are simply unprepared to answer the reposes given, or you do not understand/never heard the answers given and are completely out of your field.. either way you asked i answered. you taking the time to line by line mock everything is not really needed.
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(September 15, 2020 at 9:16 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: When you have to claim a world with no children to make your narrative not make God look bad....

read the bible sport. it never mentions children at the flood it does mention nephilim (Human demon giants hybrids) and humans worshiping them it also mention nephilim have a taste for human flesh... kinda hard to worship if you've been eaten and even for a demon hybrid it must be hard to eat your mother.. so who is left for sacrifice? none hybrid children/babies.

(September 15, 2020 at 3:32 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: His claim has been that we are too stupid for him to waste his perfect English on.  That's his story anyway.

stupid in the sense that if i did not show a fault/something for you to focus on so you in your mind can trivialize and dismiss what i have said contextually (something you can ad hom attack) you people lose your minds and next thing i know i'm being banned or people get mad and leave. but if i show myself to be less than perfect, you can still pretend your smarter. which is fine by me so long as we both know the truth you can say what you like.
Blah, blah, blah.
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#24
RE: The ethics of worship
There's alot of stuff the bible doesn't mention, like basic biology, for example...while it does take time to include the colored sticks theory of livestock genetics.

Obviously, what magic book does and does not contain has no relevance to what was or was not.

I say that, but here we are having a conversation about this silly flood again....so.....

Here's what I think is interesting. What's the problem with god killing kids? Ostensibly, if god killed kids, being god, it would be a good kill. No?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#25
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 16, 2020 at 12:43 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 15, 2020 at 9:16 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: When you have to claim a world with no children to make your narrative not make God look bad....

read the bible sport. it never mentions children at the flood it does mention nephilim (Human demon giants hybrids) and humans worshiping them it also mention nephilim have a taste for human flesh... kinda hard to worship if you've been eaten and even for a demon hybrid it must be hard to eat your mother.. so who is left for sacrifice? none hybrid children/babies.

The Book of Enoch isn't part of the Bible, sport.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#26
RE: The ethics of worship
The Russel Crowe version was a documentary, just like The Flintstones.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#27
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 16, 2020 at 7:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There's alot of stuff the bible doesn't mention, like basic biology, for example...while it does take time to include the colored sticks theory of livestock genetics.

Obviously, what magic book does and does not contain has no relevance to what was or was not.

I say that, but here we are having a conversation about this silly flood again....so.....

Here's what I think is interesting.  What's the problem with god killing kids?  Ostensibly, if god killed kids, being god, it would be a good kill.  No?

i have no problem with god killing women or children as we in this country do it to our own adversaries. the issue i have is you people are taking a narrative from the bible adding your own personal bits to the bible narrative and then charging god for the bits you added!!!
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#28
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 11:48 am)Drich Wrote:
(September 16, 2020 at 7:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There's alot of stuff the bible doesn't mention, like basic biology, for example...while it does take time to include the colored sticks theory of livestock genetics.

Obviously, what magic book does and does not contain has no relevance to what was or was not.

I say that, but here we are having a conversation about this silly flood again....so.....

Here's what I think is interesting.  What's the problem with god killing kids?  Ostensibly, if god killed kids, being god, it would be a good kill.  No?

i have no problem with god killing women or children as we in this country do it to our own adversaries. the issue i have is you people are taking a narrative from the bible adding your own personal bits to the bible narrative and then charging god for the bits you added!!!
That's sure to win some people over to your side.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#29
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 9:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(September 16, 2020 at 12:43 pm)Drich Wrote: read the bible sport. it never mentions children at the flood it does mention nephilim (Human demon giants hybrids) and humans worshiping them it also mention nephilim have a taste for human flesh... kinda hard to worship if you've been eaten and even for a demon hybrid it must be hard to eat your mother.. so who is left for sacrifice? none hybrid children/babies.

The Book of Enoch isn't part of the Bible, sport.
not the christian bible no, but passages were taken and put in other epistles and books, and it is used by a few tribes of jews.. This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. Authors of the New Testament were also familiar with some content of the story.[5] A short section of 1 Enoch (1:9) is cited in the New Testament Epistle of JudeJude 1:14–15, and is attributed there to "Enoch the Seventh from Adam" (1 En 60:8), although this section of 1 Enoch is a midrash on Deuteronomy 33:2. Several copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enoch were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls.[3]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch While it may not have a place in cannon it is no different and j
ust as viable as supporting literature as the books of maccabees (where the jews get hanukkah from and acts as a historical document that completes the time line between the book of isaiah and the book of matthew. enoch fills in from adam to noah.

(September 17, 2020 at 11:53 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(September 17, 2020 at 11:48 am)Drich Wrote: i have no problem with god killing women or children as we in this country do it to our own adversaries. the issue i have is you people are taking a narrative from the bible adding your own personal bits to the bible narrative and then charging god for the bits you added!!!
That's sure to win some people over to your side.
only hypocrites or evil people do have a problem killing evil women and children https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzNTzOP5trM&t=22s you can't tell me you have a problem with this.. that this woman and child needed to be killed. that they were evil and wanted to rain an evil act down on the soldiers... if one man can determine the immediate future act of a woman and child and can kill them and it be a good thing... why cant an all knowing god order the destruction of a whole race of people if it meant they would destroy the world?
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#30
RE: The ethics of worship
(September 17, 2020 at 11:48 am)Drich Wrote:
(September 16, 2020 at 7:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There's alot of stuff the bible doesn't mention, like basic biology, for example...while it does take time to include the colored sticks theory of livestock genetics.

Obviously, what magic book does and does not contain has no relevance to what was or was not.

I say that, but here we are having a conversation about this silly flood again....so.....

Here's what I think is interesting.  What's the problem with god killing kids?  Ostensibly, if god killed kids, being god, it would be a good kill.  No?

i have no problem with god killing women or children as we in this country do it to our own adversaries. the issue i have is you people are taking a narrative from the bible adding your own personal bits to the bible narrative and then charging god for the bits you added!!!
There you go, lead with that.

All of that hilarious lord of the rings bullshit about a baby-less earth before wasn't just silly..it had no use to you whatsoever.

You don't have a problem with baby killing.  Some of us do.  I'd go out on a limb and say that most people have a problem with that. Can you see how, for a person who has a problem with baby killing, you and your god are a non-starter?


Quote:only hypocrites or evil people do have a problem killing evil women and children https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzNTzOP5trM&t=22s you can't tell me you have a problem with this.. that this woman and child needed to be killed. that they were evil and wanted to rain an evil act down on the soldiers... if one man can determine the immediate future act of a woman and child and can kill them and it be a good thing... why cant an all knowing god order the destruction of a whole race of people if it meant they would destroy the world?
You could argue that your god existed until you were blue in the face, and you could get it right, and it would still be a babykiller, and you would still be a person who doesn't have a problem with babykilling. Is this some of that strong christian morality I always hear about? Did christianity do this to you? I'm absolutely certain that a person like you could be ordered by a god like yours to exterminate an entire race of people. I'm entirely certain that a god like yours would think it was good and that you, likewise, would be convinced that you were doing a good thing as you exterminated them. You don't have to argue that it's possible, it's happened, more than once.

No one ever needs to be killed, Drich. Killing is an expedient that limited creatures like human beings resort to in order to solve their immediate dilemmas. Your idea that only hypocrites or evil people have a problem killing evil women and children isn't just false, it's a complete inversion of any sensible moral position. You, have an immorality system - not a moral system. One where you search out any excuse or justification for the expediency of evil, however incredulous, and bargle that shit out like the morning call at a goddamned concentration camp.

Next you'll tell us all about how My Lai was a heroic act by holy american forces fully within the remit of Gods Good™ Grace. Jerkoff
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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