How far reaching are God's powers?

[Sal]

God's power is far greater than most realize. Perhaps the most terrifying indication of His power is the fact that He had no beginning, a concept we can hardly even begin to imagine.

More interestingly, He is not merely in control of all existence, but He is in control down to the most minute of details. The Scriptures say even the very hairs on our heads are numbered. That demonstrates not simply how much control He has, but how involved He is.

Most see Him as distant and preoccupied with running things. Not only does He run everything perfectly, it's no trouble for Him. He is omnipotent...that word is likely underestimated more often than not.

You're wrong, the most terrifying concept of gods power is that he doesn't exist, yet people still kill in his name.

And before you start giving about me saying god doesn't exist, I can prove it by only using christian beliefs.

It's easy to disprove most of the various god image incarnations, even via internal consistency approach. You don't even need to put up some empirical test or whatever.

You can't, however, extend this to some wishy-washy unbounded nonsense "concept" of god images, because there are no religious texts to examine (read: Mysticism).

[The Grand Nudger]

Sounds like you've just told me how one interpretation is less valid than another - ironically, what you asked another poster to provide - but I think that you just can't get right on this, personally.

Did you even read what I wrote? The commandment isn't open to interpretation. All you have to do is read it and you'll see what I mean. There is no language commanding worship, not even anything synonymous with worship or that could be metaphorically referring to worship. So where in the world did the original statement/interpretation come from? There was no reason at all for it.

Then...it sounds...like you already had an answer to the question you asked another, incredulously.  

That brings to mind a thought experiment, not entirely unlike angrboda's.  Let's just imagine that everything I might think about your religion is true.  Are you morally responsible for holding it, as you are, as a human being, as an entity currently incapable of not believing - can I hold you morally responsible for that false and bad belief?  You don't intend to do harm by it, you don't control whether you believe it, and you don't control how your beliefs pan out in the world.  

Are you or can you be held morally responsible for holding that belief..and, if so, how?

I honestly have no idea what you're saying here. Perhaps it's just me, but your writing seems, once again, incoherent.

If you're too lazy to look up a word you don't know, again, you can just ask - and I'll explain..... again. It seems to me that if you wanted to speak about these things authoritatively and from the point of view of your faith, you ought to have at least some understanding of it. That you ought to be able to communicate these ideas to others, and to recognize those ideas being communicated to you.

Can I hold you morally responsible for your ignorance? If so..how so?

[Sal]

Like talking with a fucking wall ...

I commend you for even trying, TGN.

[The Grand Nudger]

The wall thing is always a performance. Human beings are smert.

[Sal]

Teal'c: indeed.

[GUBU]

@MilesAbbott81

How about you read this?

About the Holy Bible

I read a few paragraphs, over the course of which I saw not a single valid criticism. I would be happy to point out all of the obviously ignorant statements in it, but the list would take far too long. I suggest you find some better material; I'm sure there's some out there.

Point out these "obviously ignorant statements" then. Just because you assert something it doesn't mean we're going to accept it. In fact given your track record for honest argument, truthfullness and knowledge, we're pretty much compelled to reject your assertions as a matter of course.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The wall thing is always a performance.  Human beings are smert.

Not always. Some people are legitimately stupid.

Boru

[Gwaithmir]

That sounds to me pretty much like an arrogant, insecure God demanding weekly worship. I find Roddenberry's statement spot on. If God doesn't make mistakes, why did he create imperfect beings who behaved exactly the way he knowingly designed them to?

The Sabbath is not about worshiping God, but about resting, in Him, from your labor. It's a gift from Him to us, not a demand for arbitrary worship. As Jesus said, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Quite clear.

Every Catholic nun and priest I have ever known (and quite a few Protestant ministers) would disagree with your interpretation of scripture.

[MilesAbbott81]

Then...it sounds...like you already had an answer to the question you asked another, incredulously.  

You really need to be more specific when you respond, because I don't even know what you're referring to.

If you mean to say that I interpreted something different from the original poster (whose quote said God demanded worship every 7 days), well I will say that I was wrong to even use the word "interpretation" at all. But I also clarified that in a later post when I said that the word "interpretation" shouldn't even be used, "now that I think about it" were my words (did you not read this?). It was a simple semantic mistake on my part, my actual argument needs no alteration. So how about responding to the actual substance of my argument instead of vague responses that really don't say anything at all? We can nitpick over semantics endlessly, it accomplishes nothing.

I honestly have no idea what you're saying here. Perhaps it's just me, but your writing seems, once again, incoherent.

If you're too lazy to look up a word you don't know, again, you can just ask - and I'll explain..... again.  It seems to me that if you wanted to speak about these things authoritatively and from the point of view of your faith, you ought to have at least some understanding of it.  That you ought to be able to communicate these ideas to others, and to recognize those ideas being communicated to you.

Can I hold you morally responsible for your ignorance?  If so..how so?

This is not a problem with my vocabulary, but with your ability to string words together into coherent sentences. I have Google for any words I don't understand, and I always look up words I don't understand, so what are you even saying? What words do you think I'm not understanding here?

And again, you need to be more specific with your responses. My ignorance of what, exactly? If you believe I'm ignorant concerning my own faith, then please point out what it is that I don't know, and we can discuss it. You simply making vague declarations about what I do and don't know isn't helping the conversation move along.

If you're saying that you're incapable of understanding my argument about evil people being held responsible for their actions despite their nature, and that your failing to understand is the result of my own ignorance, I suppose I can at least acknowledge the possibility that I'm unable to clearly articulate it to you, perhaps even due to some lack of understanding on my part, but I don't believe this to be the case. I've explained myself over and over, many times and in many ways, and you always repeat that you don't understand.

My response to your lack of understanding is that God has taken away your ability to understand, because of your sins. Same goes for anyone else who can't hear me. Who are you to say that you can see, if you're blind? Can you acknowledge the possibility that God has blinded you, and that there is no way you could understand me if He has done so?

My guess is no, since you will say you don't even believe in God, but on what planet does that preclude the possibility of my being correct? Where is your humility? The proud insist that they couldn't possibly be wrong, and the humble admit they could be.

That is why you can't see. It's a matter of pride. Of course, you might come back with some feigned humility, but the Lord knows your heart.

And perhaps I'm even wrong about you having a pride problem, though it seems quite obvious to me. Could be. I'm not always right; don't need to be, because my faith isn't in myself but in God. I may very well need correction here, and if so, then I pray that it be done, even before all of you, for the benefit of all. I'm not interested in proving anyone wrong, I'm only interested in the truth.

[Foxaèr]

This is not a problem with my vocabulary, but with your ability to string words together into coherent sentences. I have Google for any words I don't understand, and I always look up words I don't understand, so what are you even saying? What words do you think I'm not understanding here?

Remember what Ike told Tina?