Please Justify This Police Action For Me

[The Grand Nudger]

OLBs never seen a piece of police brutality he didn't like. It's his thing. He's been putting in the work for quite some time.

You just figured it was a good excuse to launch into a racist screed. What isn't, am I right?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The part of the routine where we complain that everyone and the furniture is arguing in bad faith.  All a guy does is put in the work to make everyone realize that he's a complete ass, and people start acting like he's an ass.

The unfairness of it all.

I don't believe you argued that we think it's ok to pepper spray a 9 year old, and I respect that from you. Some others are acting like we supported the pepper spraying though, and that's dishonest.

Not so much supporting it as trying to find a way to excuse it. In other words, no one is claiming you’re saying, ‘The cops pepper sprayed a nine year old girl...HOORAY!’ It’s more that you’re saying, ‘It’s awful what happened to that girl, but...’

There is no ‘but’. The cops always had to option to not pepper spray her. They went another way.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Her cantelope calves might have damaged police ribs. Sounds like an endorsement to me. I fully expect the cops to say exactly the same thing. We have some idea as to why the cops keep returning to that chorus - but it's pretty difficult to understand why a person committed to speaking out against police brutality would, or, at least, it would have been difficult to understand.

Then it opened it's mouth to elaborate further. You'd think the girl got maced on account of all the bad shit antifa, blm, and anti-racism does. A proxy macing in a culture war. Hooray!

[onlinebiker]

I don't believe you argued that we think it's ok to pepper spray a 9 year old, and I respect that from you. Some others are acting like we supported the pepper spraying though, and that's dishonest.

Not so much supporting it as trying to find a way to excuse it. In other words, no one is claiming you’re saying, ‘The cops pepper sprayed a nine year old girl...HOORAY!’ It’s more that you’re saying, ‘It’s awful what happened to that girl, but...’

There is no ‘but’. The cops always had to option to not pepper spray her. They went another way.

Boru

Not disputed.

There is no "but".

There is an "and".


As in - the cops did a really fucked up thing, should be held to task - AND - the parents dropped the ball on this one and want to shift their blame.to the cops.

As it seems, do you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Parents didn't drop anything. Cops showed up to a possible stolen vehicle, made no arrest, filed no charges..maced a kid and split, then lied about it.

The delicious part, is that we probably wouldn't know that if the pic crew didn't pipe up to explain that this wasn't their bag. The only thing that might create accountability for the police in question, is that another group of cops refused to be held accountable for it.

Good for them, we have a group of cops who won't be held accountable for some other asshole macing a kid, and...unlike you or any other piece of shit who doesn't have a floor or macing a kid is somehow above board, provided hillbilly hellspawn or whatever other garbage thing you believe - they don't need to pretend the parents are at fault in any way.

Funny thing, the cops are there to protect and serve the bad guys too, there was never any cover for cops to be had on this one. There's nothing about a person, or a persons parents, that is relevant to assault and false imprisonment. They would be crimes even if you perpetrated them on a grown violent felon of wanted parents. They're cowards who abandoned their duties in a panic after having abjectly failed at their duty - simultaneously leaving an alleged victim of a crime in the lurch with the alleged perp while creating another victim out of a minor child.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Not so much supporting it as trying to find a way to excuse it. In other words, no one is claiming you’re saying, ‘The cops pepper sprayed a nine year old girl...HOORAY!’ It’s more that you’re saying, ‘It’s awful what happened to that girl, but...’

There is no ‘but’. The cops always had to option to not pepper spray her. They went another way.

Boru

Not disputed.

There is no "but".

There is an "and".


As in - the cops did a really fucked up thing, should be held to task - AND - the parents dropped the ball on this one and want to shift their blame.to the cops.

As it seems, do you.

I blame the cops for macing the child, nothing else. The cops aren't to be held responsible for what ever emotional issues she had (prior to the pepper spray), nor are they responsible for her acting out.

They are fully and completely responsible for an act of police brutality committed on a nine year old child.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

It's strange how often we insist that personal responsibility turn to collective guilt when the cops fuck up. Oddly enough, that collective guilt always flows away from a cop, and a group of cops, onto the communities they fail. If the cops would like to insist that they are incapable of doing their jobs because people are just too violent, and too unruly, and not sufficiently deferential...I can only interpret that as a letter of resignation.

Fine, fair enough. You can't do the job. I wish you the best in mall security.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Not nearly as strange as it used to be. Pretty commonplace these days.

Boru

[Rev. Rye]

As in - the cops did a really fucked up thing, should be held to task - AND - the parents dropped the ball on this one and want to shift their blame.to the cops.

And if bad parenting either justified or even explained why the girl got maced with pepper spray, that might actually mean something in the context of this discussion.

[onlinebiker]

A responsible parent teaches a kid -

Don't feed the bears;
Don't tease the rattlesnake;
And don't piss off cops..