Evolution cannot account for morality

[Anomalocaris]

And yet there are creatures with both instinct and initiative that we do not take to be moral agents.

Moral agency, as we describe and understand it - is a high bar.  Maybe limited just to us and things like us.  That’s assuming that there are potential moral observations as a matter of fact, for things like us to see….in the first place.

That’s the entirety of natures contribution to moral values and moral agency, from a realists pov.  Giving us eyes to see.

That’s the topline to the opq ( good riddance, fucking moron ).  Being able to produce the tools or structures required to assess the other thing…even if the other thing is there( really there) in the absence of such possessions.

I think we unnecessarily complicate and confuse the discussion by introducing the somewhat legalistic concept of agency.   Agency seems to me to really be a mental social model that is useful for deciding where to apply social pressure to effectively influence the actions of others.    If the others have agency, then you can influence them through social means.     It does not help with any Un-presupposing approach to exploring the fundamental roots of actions.

[The Grand Nudger]

Rightly…..or wrongly.

[chiknsld]

If evolution had depended upon our agency to accomplish the goal of morals, our species would have perished.  

The conundrum for those that believe that our morals are an evolved response is that our agency is no longer required.

Are these two statements not in conflict with each other?

[Aegon]

We cannot get our morality from evolution because evolution does not care about how we treat others. Also, it makes no sense that we have instincts therefore it makes more sense that God wanted us to have instincts. Evolution only starts with life, which makes no sense, it should show how inanimate matter turns into life as well. Also, if evolution has all this power then where does evolution come from?

Actually, humans evolved to be social creatures that assist one another in the survival process. Loneliness is associated with depression because our physical brains are programmed to be with other humans. One could certainly argue that friendships, relationships, and other forms of affection - and thus empathy - are a result of evolution.

But regardless, I think you're thinking about this wrong... on a fundamental level.

[chiknsld]

We cannot get our morality from evolution because evolution does not care about how we treat others. Also, it makes no sense that we have instincts therefore it makes more sense that God wanted us to have instincts. Evolution only starts with life, which makes no sense, it should show how inanimate matter turns into life as well. Also, if evolution has all this power then where does evolution come from?

Actually, humans evolved to be social creatures that assist one another in the survival process. Loneliness is associated with depression because our physical brains are programmed to be with other humans. One could certainly argue that friendships, relationships, and other forms of affection - and thus empathy - are a result of evolution.

But regardless, I think you're thinking about this wrong... on a fundamental level.

You think depression is real?

[Nay_Sayer]

Actually, humans evolved to be social creatures that assist one another in the survival process. Loneliness is associated with depression because our physical brains are programmed to be with other humans. One could certainly argue that friendships, relationships, and other forms of affection - and thus empathy - are a result of evolution.

But regardless, I think you're thinking about this wrong... on a fundamental level.

You think depression is real?

You're a troll and a moron.

RAmen

[Angrboda]

If evolution had depended upon our agency to accomplish the goal of morals, our species would have perished.  

The conundrum for those that believe that our morals are an evolved response is that our agency is no longer required.

Are these two statements not in conflict with each other?

Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps you could explain why you think that they are.

[Aegon]

Actually, humans evolved to be social creatures that assist one another in the survival process. Loneliness is associated with depression because our physical brains are programmed to be with other humans. One could certainly argue that friendships, relationships, and other forms of affection - and thus empathy - are a result of evolution.

But regardless, I think you're thinking about this wrong... on a fundamental level.

You think depression is real?

Lmaooooo. What do you mean by "real?" Am I going to have to explain basic psychology to you?

[chiknsld]

You think depression is real?

Lmaooooo. What do you mean by "real?" Am I going to have to explain basic psychology to you?

Well considering that my degree is in psychology, I do not believe that would help your argument. Are you aware that many people do not believe that depression is real?

[Fake Messiah]

Are you aware that many people do not believe that depression is real?

Yeah, like Scientologists.