Less anger towards religion

[arewethereyet]

When you start believing your own lies, good people will fall away from you.

Put up or shut up. What exactly have I said that is not true?

Oooohhhhh, a tough guy.

[The Grand Nudger]

One of those things where it would probably be helpful, maybe even better, if the nuts would return to their traditional superstitions about "ensoulment". It'd get em out of other people's uterus, at least.

[Angrboda]

When you start believing your own lies, good people will fall away from you.

Put up or shut up. What exactly have I said that is not true?

You have played a tired game of saying things that on the one hand are arguably true, but not well-defined, and sliding effortlessly into conflating them with things that are more well defined, but not ostensibly true. For what you say to be an objective fact, it has to pass both bars simultaneously, which it never did. So your claim that you were stating objective facts is false. What you instead stated was tired and transparent ideological propaganda. That you either can't make the distinction, or do not for purposes of your own is not something I care to untangle. I suspect mistaking ideology for truth has simply become a way of life for you.

[brewer]

When you start believing your own lies, good people will fall away from you.

Put up or shut up. What exactly have I said that is not true?

That all products of homosapien conception end up becoming human life.

If you don't think so one good example is hydatidiform mole.

There are many other examples, many endanger the mothers life and require medical intervention.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Let's refute your nonsense shall we

Everything I said is objectively true. 

Nope

Human life begins at conception.

Human life doesn't "begin " at any point as there is no point where the thing in question wasn't alive. Sperm is alive and the egg is alive so at no point didn't the life in question "begin"  it simply changed form.

There is no other starting point.

Their is no"starting point"  period 

 And performing an abortion is an intentional action that kills a human being. 

An abortion is a woman freeing themselves of an unwanted entity living in their body against their will. No one has the right to do that.

That also is a fact.

Nope 

The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. 

A woman has the right to her own body ...period 

Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.

Your idea of rights is dependent on using state power to rob women of control of their bodies. So you don't get to preach here.

So according to you a fertilized egg is dead matter?

Nope, the opposite which is why life doesn't begin at conception nor ever. So your whole argument crumbles...

Put up or shut up. What exactly have I said that is not true?

I just pointed it out. You are wrong about pretty much everything and your stance is outright authoritarian ...

[The Architect Of Fate]

Anti Abortion laws have never led to fewer abortions. It has led to more dead women. If fundies want fewer abortions comprehensive sex education and a wide-sweeping endorsement of safe sex are the only way. Because are going to keep screwing and abortions are always going to happen with government sanction or not. Not even a police state can stop that.

[Angrboda]

Now if only believers would stop trying to inject their beliefs into our laws. You'd like us to come together? Tell your brethren to stop pushing people apart using the law as the pry-bar.

Laws to restrict abortion are based on human rights, starting with the right of a human being not to be killed by the intential acts of other human beings.

Not to mention this gem. No such right exists.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Laws to restrict abortion are based on human rights, starting with the right of a human being not to be killed by the intential acts of other human beings.

Not to mention this gem.  No such right exists.

Indeed no such right exists and even if it did it wouldn't entitle someone to someone else's body.

[The Grand Nudger]

The grand irony being that, if we wanted to see fewer abortions in the world..there's a fantastic and broad set of ways to make things so - none of which will appeal to the nutters - just as they're not actually interested in seeing fewer abortions.

We could...IDK...not have an abortion? There's step one, boy I do hope christians get better at this! More obliquely, we could teach our kids about sex frankly, and ensure they have access to contraceptives. Galaxy brain shit..we could teach kids to love kids, and to love life, and not to see it or them as a proving ground or burden?

Maybe we could even make it so that kids cant..idk..starve or be homeless...here in the us? That takes effort beyond just ourselves, though, so I'll just leave it there. No though..not how we're going to do it. We're going to do it by making sure hoors can't access healthcare, and by allowing businesses to be people, and religious people™- so that employers can select their labors religious preferences...by law!

What could possibly go wrong?

[The Architect Of Fate]

The grand irony being that, if we wanted to see fewer abortions in the world..there's a fantastic and broad set of ways to make things so - none of which will appeal to the nutters - just as they're not actually interested in seeing fewer abortions.

We could...IDK...not have an abortion?  There's step one, boy I do hope christians get better at this!  More obliquely, we could teach our kids about sex frankly, and ensure they have access to contraceptives.  Galaxy brain shit..we could teach kids to love kids, and to love life, and not to see it or them as a proving ground or burden?

Maybe we could even make it so that kids cant..idk..starve or be homeless...here in the us?  That takes effort beyond just ourselves, though, so I'll just leave it there.  No though..not how we're going to do it.  We're going to do it by making sure hoors can't access healthcare, and by allowing businesses to be people, and religious people™- so that employers can select their labors religious preferences...by law!

What could possibly go wrong?

But that flies in the face of right-wing Christians though. Their way is using the state to enforce their religious convictions and put everything in the hands of a cabal of ultra-rich lunatics and believe self-interest will be enough to keep them in line.