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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 2:22 pm
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(December 13, 2022 at 8:50 am)Angrboda Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 8:32 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: No I am not presuming anything. I am stating a biological fact. Your unwilliningness to engage with that fact reveals that you are the true anti-science partisan.
No, you are not. And if you don't realize it, that's something you need to look into.
Everything I said is objectively true. Human life begins at conception. There is no other starting point. And performing an abortion is an intentional action that kills a human being. That also is a fact. The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 2:42 pm
(December 13, 2022 at 2:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 8:50 am)Angrboda Wrote: No, you are not. And if you don't realize it, that's something you need to look into.
Everything I said is objectively true. Human life begins at conception. There is no other starting point. And performing an abortion is an intention action that kills a human being. That also is a fact. The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.
The potential life begins at conception. Many of those are washed away before anyone even knows they exist. If gawd aborts, it's okie dokie.
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 2:46 pm
(December 13, 2022 at 2:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 8:50 am)Angrboda Wrote: No, you are not. And if you don't realize it, that's something you need to look into.
Everything I said is objectively true. Human life begins at conception. There is no other starting point. And performing an abortion is an intention action that kills a human being. That also is a fact. The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 2:47 pm
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(December 13, 2022 at 2:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 8:50 am)Angrboda Wrote: No, you are not. And if you don't realize it, that's something you need to look into.
Everything I said is objectively true. Human life begins at conception. There is no other starting point. And performing an abortion is an intention action that kills a human being. That also is a fact. The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.
Morally is not equivalent to legally - and even if it were, there would ostensibly be a very broad range of scenarios wherein it is morally permissible to end a human life.
Especially... especially, if we take the abrahamists god, or the tinkering bloodgod, as a model for acceptable behavior.
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 3:01 pm
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(December 13, 2022 at 2:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 8:50 am)Angrboda Wrote: No, you are not. And if you don't realize it, that's something you need to look into.
Everything I said is objectively true. Human life begins at conception. There is no other starting point. And performing an abortion is an intention action that kills a human being. That also is a fact. The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.
Objective does not mean what you think it means. And it appears you think it to merely mean counter factual bare assertions bullshit you really want other people to believe so your political agenda can advance.
Objectively, at conception there exists not a whiff more human life in the zygote than exists in any one of the millions of individual stem cell in your body.
Human life is instead an emergent property than gradually comes into existence with the increasing complexity of the interactions between the parts of biologically maturing fetus growing out of the zygote.
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 3:42 pm
(December 13, 2022 at 2:42 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 2:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Everything I said is objectively true. Human life begins at conception. There is no other starting point. And performing an abortion is an intention action that kills a human being. That also is a fact. The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.
The potential life begins at conception. Many of those are washed away before anyone even knows they exist. If gawd aborts, it's okie dokie.
So according to you a fertilized egg is dead matter?
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 3:43 pm
(December 13, 2022 at 3:42 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 2:42 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: The potential life begins at conception. Many of those are washed away before anyone even knows they exist. If gawd aborts, it's okie dokie.
So according to you a fertilized egg is dead matter?
That is not what I said, and you know it.
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 3:46 pm
(December 13, 2022 at 2:46 pm)Angrboda Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 2:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Everything I said is objectively true. Human life begins at conception. There is no other starting point. And performing an abortion is an intention action that kills a human being. That also is a fact. The only discussion remaining is under what circumstances it it morally permissible to end a human life. Or if rights are grounded in anything besides power.
When you start believing your own lies, good people will fall away from you.
Put up or shut up. What exactly have I said that is not true?
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 3:46 pm
(December 13, 2022 at 3:42 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 2:42 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: The potential life begins at conception. Many of those are washed away before anyone even knows they exist. If gawd aborts, it's okie dokie.
So according to you a fertilized egg is dead matter?
Fertilized egg is as much a human life as any single cell you can culture in a Petri dish.
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RE: Less anger towards religion
December 13, 2022 at 3:47 pm
(December 13, 2022 at 3:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (December 13, 2022 at 2:46 pm)Angrboda Wrote: When you start believing your own lies, good people will fall away from you.
Put up or shut up. What exactly have I said that is not true?
The part of human life beginning at conception. The single fundament of all the bullshit of you and your ilk,
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