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Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 20, 2023 at 9:55 am)KerimF Wrote:
(May 20, 2023 at 9:48 am)Angrboda Wrote: Okay, we won't tell you.  You seem to prefer ignorance anyway.

I am sorry for disturbing your mind's peace Sad ...minds in plural since you didn't say... Okay, I won't tell you.

How do you know it wasn't the royal 'we'?
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RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 19, 2023 at 11:49 am)KerimF Wrote:
(May 19, 2023 at 11:16 am)arewethereyet Wrote: I was really hoping the magic word was 'tryst'.

Since my English is rather narrow, I am not sure what the meaning of 'tryst' is exactly.
It seems related somehow to the word 'love'. True Love has to be based on trust.

I guess it would be nonsense hearing someone telling another, I love you, but I can't trust you. But it is also all sense, if it is about the chemical love Big Grin

Statements like these make me conclude you know absolutely fuck-all about the human condition. Love and trust, while commonly found together, are not mutually inclusive. It is entirely possible to love someone you cannot trust, just as it is possible to trust someone you barely know.

I know you're trying really hard to set up some 'gotcha' moment, but you're failing horribly. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 20, 2023 at 4:45 am)KerimF Wrote:
(May 19, 2023 at 12:50 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: He never explained why my list of words was not valid.  It might be because I'm not playing the game he'd like me to and now he's playing mine.

If you like to believe that all what you read and wrote in this thread is just about a game, then, congratulations, you are the big winner. Be happy.

0/10  You're gonna have to try harder.

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RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 20, 2023 at 10:53 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(May 20, 2023 at 9:44 am)KerimF Wrote: Please don't tell me that an AI robot could also be programmed to oppose (not update his initial routines to be new ones as in the evolution process) any of his routines (original or updated). But if you like you can anytime give me an example since I can't find one. Thank you.

I think you did find an example, immediately, as your paranthetical qualification suggests.  

-but lets run with it.  Yes, it would be relatively simple to program a machine to reject it's programming.  That is..literally, a one step process.  It's still programming, though, isn't it?  Is that what you mean by our human freedom?  That we're programmed to reject our programming, whereas "robots" are not programmed to reject their programming?

What you said is very true. A robot can be programmed to even destroy itself in some situations (for example, to also destroy the secret codes and data in its embedded controllers and memory chips).

The question now: Why does a human decide not to obey his inner routines.

First, let us note that if a human allowed his own death to happen while he had the chance to stay alive, it could be of a preprogrammed routine of self-destruction or not .This could be done for many different reasons usually to save himself or some others from real painful things or to hurt some others by depriving them from things, if not worse, because of his death.

But what I am sure of is whatever happens in me in my life. In brief, when I face a person who is pleased to start playing somehow the enemy with me remotely, I don't feel good if I try to stop him or think to get my revenge later. I mean, if I obey my instincts in this, I can't avoid seeing myself much like a TV set (a sort of robot) which could be turned on and off remotely. So, I keep talking to him as a friend who cares. Many times, I gained new friends this way. But when my both cheeks, right and left, were hit, it was a very clear sign to me that I was facing a real human-like robot whose reactions could be of any aggressive animal.
Let us recall that those who are created to play even the greatest evil persons on earth, are given also the best talents to play the good angels before their audience.
Therefore, the cheek's hint proved to be a great though simple one by which I can discover if I face a human or a robot. Yes, every human (as I) is not perfect, so one may hurt me by a mere coincidence. But he doesn't repeat it if I turn the other cheek, only robots do since they have to obey their instincts of superiority.

Finally, let us be rational, any robot here has no choice but to hear all what I say as totally nonsense. And I don't argue on this because it is a natural fact that no one can change.
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RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 20, 2023 at 11:51 am)Ravenshire Wrote:
(May 19, 2023 at 11:49 am)KerimF Wrote: Since my English is rather narrow, I am not sure what the meaning of 'tryst' is exactly.
It seems related somehow to the word 'love'. True Love has to be based on trust.

I guess it would be nonsense hearing someone telling another, I love you, but I can't trust you. But it is also all sense, if it is about the chemical love Big Grin

Statements like these make me conclude you know absolutely fuck-all about the human condition. Love and trust, while commonly found together, are not mutually inclusive. It is entirely possible to love someone you cannot trust, just as it is possible to trust someone you barely know.

I know you're trying really hard to set up some 'gotcha' moment, but you're failing horribly. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

I am glad that you were able to discover the reality of life better than I did.
So, I hope I don't embarrass you by my little knowledge of life.

Anyway, it seems the language barrier lets many readers here understand the opposite of what I like to say.
But only among friends this barrier could be defeated
Am I among friends?
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RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 20, 2023 at 11:42 am)Angrboda Wrote:
(May 20, 2023 at 9:55 am)KerimF Wrote: I am sorry for disturbing your mind's peace Sad ...minds in plural since you didn't say... Okay, I won't tell you.

How do you know it wasn't the royal 'we'?

I am supposed to play the idiot... right? Big Grin

I believe since long that a person who knows where to eat and sleep cannot be a real insane person (real insanity is a sort of illness). During my military service (about 40 years ago), there was a soldier who was very clever and succeeded to convince all those who were around him that he is a totally insane person. I tried hard till he accepted to tell me how he succeeded in this and for which reason he did it. I assured him that his secret is mine too. The 'how' is a rather long story. But after his success no one expected him to do any duty. He was the freest person in the training center, he just needed to play insanity well, once a while Smile

Am I playing the idiot well Big Grin
I know... I know... you will surely find a word worse than idiot Sad
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RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 20, 2023 at 1:03 pm)KerimF Wrote:
(May 20, 2023 at 11:51 am)Ravenshire Wrote: Statements like these make me conclude you know absolutely fuck-all about the human condition. Love and trust, while commonly found together, are not mutually inclusive. It is entirely possible to love someone you cannot trust, just as it is possible to trust someone you barely know.

I know you're trying really hard to set up some 'gotcha' moment, but you're failing horribly. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

I am glad that you were able to discover the reality of life better than I did.
So, I hope I don't embarrass you by my little knowledge of life.

Anyway, it seems the language barrier lets many readers here understand the opposite of what I like to say.
But only among friends this barrier could be defeated
Am I among friends?

I don't know how much is related to a language barrier.

Many of us have been here long enough to detect a dishonest interlocutor pretty early in our interactions with them.

And you, so far, have demonstrated yourself to be one.

Prove us wrong.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?
(May 20, 2023 at 1:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(May 20, 2023 at 1:03 pm)KerimF Wrote: I am glad that you were able to discover the reality of life better than I did.
So, I hope I don't embarrass you by my little knowledge of life.

Anyway, it seems the language barrier lets many readers here understand the opposite of what I like to say.
But only among friends this barrier could be defeated
Am I among friends?

I don't know how much is related to a language barrier.

Many of us have been here long enough to detect a dishonest interlocutor pretty early in our interactions with them.

And you, so far, have demonstrated yourself to be one.

Prove us wrong.

If Jesus was able to prove that the honorable Jewish elders in his time were wrong, perhaps I may have a chance to succeed in what you asked me to prove.

You already know that most readers here keep telling me what you said, in one way or another. But no one dared showing me any specific point from which one can deduce I am dishonest.

Please note, I am not born yesterday. Since long, I am aware that, in a room, the last word is of the ones who have the strongest guns (in a forum, the ones who have the most privileged rights). In brief, the Boss is always right.

Anyway, if you are honest really, as I wish you would be, try to be more specific with me so that I can correct what seems wrong or bad, to you in the least.

I repeat, Jesus was crucified in the name of justice, not because he was a criminal or a bad man, but because his goodness scared a whole nation.
So, I am glad that by being good to you all, I was able to prove that what happened to Jesus (claimed being fictional) is real even in our days.
So, if you think that I scare the kingdom of this forum, please just ask a moderator to ask me to leave, he won't need to ban me because I gain nothing by staying among people who are scared of my presence.
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Jesus was crucified because he was a lousy carpenter.

Tables with three legs, and lopsided shelves.
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