Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.

[h4ym4n]

Angrboda: the point is Abortion causes demographic problems in time. Even those who were neutral or non-committal to any moral position on the abortion issue recognized this effect of it.

Hymn4n, I answered your question. Children saved in infancy, like those Baptized, go to Heaven, by the Pure Grace of Christ given in Baptism. They have no merits of their own but will enjoy Heavenly Happiness. Those however, who have received Baptism, and also do Good Works, like adults can, will receive a higher degree of happiness for every good work they did. That's because every Good work done in the State of Grace earns further merits. This is also why suffering is not meaningless in Catholic Christianity, whereas under Atheism it is; every good work, every suffering borne out of love, like a kind of martyrdom, will be rewarded, just as the Martyr's Crown I mentioned in Rev 2:10 is. The more and more good works a person does, the more suffering he/she endures righteously, the higher and higher will be the Reward in Heaven upon death. Thus, the Lord said: "Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the Crown of Life".

Does that answer your question? As for evidence, pls see the link to that website I gave on the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano. We have as much evidence for Christ's Power today as those who witnessed His Miracles when He walked on Earth, if not even more, after 2000 years of Eucharistic Miracles, well documented Miracles like those worked by Our Lady of Fatima etc, the Miracle of the Sun seen by 70,000 eyewitnesses on October 13,1917, in Fatima, Portugal. It confounded the Marxist press and led to some accepting/embracing Catholic Christianity.

No I don’t believe you did answer my question.

Let’s try it again 

Let me ask you another question and I hope you take the time to think about your answer.

In my case, someone who has never believed and wasn’t given the evidence that god gave you that it exists , that me being aborted would have been far better for me than being born to a world Satan controls, never believing and being tortured for all eternity for not believing?

[Angrboda]

Angrboda: the point is Abortion causes demographic problems in time. Even those who were neutral or non-committal to any moral position on the abortion issue recognized this effect of it.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by calling it a "problem." In what way is it a problem?

[Angrboda]

Angrboda: the point is Abortion causes demographic problems in time. Even those who were neutral or non-committal to any moral position on the abortion issue recognized this effect of it.

Hymn4n, I answered your question. Children saved in infancy, like those Baptized, go to Heaven, by the Pure Grace of Christ given in Baptism. They have no merits of their own but will enjoy Heavenly Happiness. Those however, who have received Baptism, and also do Good Works, like adults can, will receive a higher degree of happiness for every good work they did. That's because every Good work done in the State of Grace earns further merits. This is also why suffering is not meaningless in Catholic Christianity, whereas under Atheism it is; every good work, every suffering borne out of love, like a kind of martyrdom, will be rewarded, just as the Martyr's Crown I mentioned in Rev 2:10 is. The more and more good works a person does, the more suffering he/she endures righteously, the higher and higher will be the Reward in Heaven upon death. Thus, the Lord said: "Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the Crown of Life".

Does that answer your question? As for evidence, pls see the link to that website I gave on the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano. We have as much evidence for Christ's Power today as those who witnessed His Miracles when He walked on Earth, if not even more, after 2000 years of Eucharistic Miracles, well documented Miracles like those worked by Our Lady of Fatima etc, the Miracle of the Sun seen by 70,000 eyewitnesses on October 13,1917, in Fatima, Portugal. It confounded the Marxist press and led to some accepting/embracing Catholic Christianity.

Heretic. Good works don't earn you heavenly bliss.

[Nishant Xavier]

No, because (1) it is neither certain nor necessary that you will go to Hell (2) you have the chance of meriting higher happiness than a child who died aborted or in infancy, (3) it would be to foolish to neglect that chance. Life is a Precious Gift from God, and was given to us for the purpose of (1) obtaining Eternal Happiness (2) Meriting Higher Rewards in Heaven through Good Works, (3) making our own contribution to the coming of the Kingdom of God.

Our Lady of Fatima has also spoken of a future Period of Peace; that's what I mean by the Kingdom of God. In the Bible, it speaks of a "1000 year period of peace" of Christ in the future, which while not necessarily meaning a literal 1000 years, does indeed refer to a future Period of Peace. This will be a Golden Age for Humanity where most problems will be solved, all will know God exists, and all men and women will love one another and live in peace and love keeping the Commandments of Almighty God.

Ven. Fr. Bartholomew Holzhauser wrote, in commentaries on those passages in the Apocalypse/Revelation: "Peace will reign over the whole earth because God will bind Satan for a number of years until the days of the Son of Perdition. No one will be able to pervert the word of God since, during the sixth period, there will be an Ecumenical council which will be the greatest of all councils. By the grace of God ... atheism and every heresy will be banished from the earth. The Council will define the true sense of Holy Scripture, and this will be believed and accepted by everyone. The Great Monarch of the world will create new laws for the new mankind and will cause a new age to begin, in which there will be only one flock and one Shepherd, and peace will be of long, long duration, for the glory of God in heaven and earth..."

[Nishant Xavier]

Angrboda: no one can merit the Initial Grace of Justification, which is freely given in Baptism. Once Baptized, every Good Work merits a Higher Reward in Heaven. That is Catholic teaching based on Scripture and Tradition.

"2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God's wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions." http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2010.htm

As I said, when I was a child I did not know this. But later I experienced temporal blessings, like a good job etc, are God's blessings too, provided we use them rightly, are generous as God wants us to be etc.

[The Grand Nudger]

So much for all that hard work at a good school, right? That didn't land you a job - gad gave you that. So, what do you think he wants you to do with it? Make it less shitty for women to be pregnant, or more shitty?

[Silver]

You're attributing life's events to a deity with zero evidence. Getting a job isn't god's looking out for me. It's called taking personal responsibility to better one's life.

[h4ym4n]

No, because (1) it is neither certain nor necessary that you will go to Hell (2) you have the chance of meriting higher happiness than a child who died aborted or in infancy, (3) it would be to foolish to neglect that chance. Life is a Precious Gift from God, and was given to us for the purpose of (1) obtaining Eternal Happiness (2) Meriting Higher Rewards in Heaven through Good Works, (3) making our own contribution to the coming of the Kingdom of God.

Our Lady of Fatima has also spoken of a future Period of Peace; that's what I mean by the Kingdom of God. In the Bible, it speaks of a "1000 year period of peace" of Christ in the future, which while not necessarily meaning a literal 1000 years, does indeed refer to a future Period of Peace. This will be a Golden Age for Humanity where most problems will be solved, all will know God exists, and all men and women will love one another and live in peace and love keeping the Commandments of Almighty God.

Ven. Fr. Bartholomew Holzhauser wrote, in commentaries on those passages in the Apocalypse/Revelation: "Peace will reign over the whole earth because God will bind Satan for a number of years until the days of the Son of Perdition. No one will be able to pervert the word of God since, during the sixth period, there will be an Ecumenical council which will be the greatest of all councils. By the grace of God ... atheism and every heresy will be banished from the earth. The Council will define the true sense of Holy Scripture, and this will be believed and accepted by everyone. The Great Monarch of the world will create new laws for the new mankind and will cause a new age to begin, in which there will be only one flock and one Shepherd, and peace will be of long, long duration, for the glory of God in heaven and earth..."

Do you not know how to quote?


Guess you didn’t really think about it.

You said if I were aborted I would go to limbo 

You said “they have Perfect Natural Happiness, and a Possibility of even Super-Natural Hapiness. Doesn't sound so bad to me.”

You also said I could be paroled from limbo and promoted to heavenly bliss 

Not believing is a hell bound sin, right X?

Does anyone get paroled from hell?

[Gwaithmir]

John Dominic Crossan, a Liberal Scholar said: "That Jesus was crucified (under Pontius Pilate) is as certain as anything historical can ever be".

If one is uncertain, one should Pray, examine Public Miracles like those at Marian Apparition Sites, the Shroud of Turin, Eucharistic Miracles, etc.

There is no historical evidence, outside of the Bible, that Jesus had a ministry, performed miracles or was crucified under Pontius Pilate. Every one of the public "miracles" that you have mentioned can be rationally dismissed as mass hysteria, ignorance and/or gullibility of the faithful, or outright hoaxes. The Shroud of Turin, for example, has been scientifically proven to be a medieval forgery.

[The Grand Nudger]

But how could that be true, it has the same blood type as the heart in a bowl miracle, lol.