I think Christianity is true, even if Islam where to rule the world

[The Grand Nudger]

People can get that from opioids.  We recently did, see how that worked out?

Anywho, there's no unification for me in your religion, if you even have one.  Christianity is morally degenerate and divisive by design.  The belief that a great sorting hat will spare those incompetents who seek to disabuse themselves of responsibility for their own bad behavior and annihilate all of those who would take ownership of the same.

There is a South Park parody called Go God Go. Which jokes on atheist warfare. But i am not saying if the world become Christian it becomes peaceful. I am merely saying it will put your mind at ease. That itself is pretty fine with me.

Thank you for telling me what would put my mind at ease.........

But i for example think it is delusional to say if you got rid of religion in USA then all problems would go away? I mean take AIPAC or lobbyist group. Or the fact that USA isnt all that much of a Democracy since its run by two party establishment.

But i am ranting. But alas religion shouldnt be in government in my view.

Well, if by "religion" you actually mean superstition..then..yes.. objectively speaking... reducing superstitious purchase in american society will yield a commensurate reduction in our problems.  Christianity isn't going to do that, because it has nothing but superstition left to it....apparently........?

[Riddar90]

There is a South Park parody called Go God Go. Which jokes on atheist warfare. But i am not saying if the world become Christian it becomes peaceful. I am merely saying it will put your mind at ease. That itself is pretty fine with me.

Thank you for telling me what would put my mind at ease.........

But i for example think it is delusional to say if you got rid of religion in USA then all problems would go away? I mean take AIPAC or lobbyist group. Or the fact that USA isnt all that much of a Democracy since its run by two party establishment.

But i am ranting. But alas religion shouldnt be in government in my view.

Well, if by "religion" you actually mean superstition..then..yes.. objectively speaking... reducing superstitious purchase in american society will yield a commensurate reduction in our problems.  Christianity isn't going to do that, because it has nothing but superstition left to it....apparently........?

You dont think lobbyists or two party dictatorship is the main evil in USA though? Yeah religious money lenders is part of it probably. But do you think removing Christianity will get rid of lobbyists or money in politics? Or is it because thats the ideology you think will help you over the truth?

[The Grand Nudger]

Getting rid of christianity would get rid of christian lobbyists and christian money in politics. That would be a good start.

-but here's the thing. I don't think it's actually possible to get rid of religion. You could get rid of christianity...which we're still dealing with as essentially a comforting superstition, but that wouldn't be getting rid of religion. People will still think that there are forbidden things. Set apart things. They will still have an idea of how the world ought to be in contrast to the way it is. They will still congregate and try to build like minded communities. I'm fine with all of that, in fact...I think it's healthy. That we need and should do this is actually a great argument for the necessity of doing away with christian superstition in the first place. It rots everything that allows it.

As for helping me, help me with what? Half my life is behind me. I've got five kids. Just sold a house and moved to a dream state. I'm the right shade of lipstick even for the theocrats..should your degenerate religion/superstition ever usurp legitimate authority in my country - you dum dums will think I'm one of you, like you always have. I'll end up being a fucking official in charge of some random stream in the christofascist state of murrikka

[Nay_Sayer]

Fortunately, Pastafarianism is the only true religion

[Pat Mustard]

Because for arguments sake. If Islam where to be the world dominating religion. The issue is, if 400 years after, that another religion would tell you, that if you dont swear loyalty to this religion then you will burn in hell.

So my argument is, its easier to stick to the OG. Original one, since the foundations adds up to begin with. So why fix something that already is there to begin with?

Although the idea of hell doesnt make much sense if you are young, i guess because you have the world ahead of you. But the whole point is to prevent cults or moral bickering in society. So simply having a religion that keeps you in line is why it exists. Sure it wont prevent wars (Rivalry war with England and France is one example of that). But it does give you a peace of mind. That you are atleast part of a bigger group.


But hey hypocrisy will always be a thing. Whether one is atheist or religious. One example is. Saying people will be more moral without religion, but how can you be that if people bicker over what is wrong or right? obviously its to sell politics. Just like the belief in science is different from learning math or understanding how you make cars.
And in the religious hypocrisy (Dont watch porn... "HAH wrong!")


What do i mean by Belief in Science? Well one typical argument is you just get comfortable not knowing so you let authority figures do it for you. Power corrupts afterall.
So lets take cannabis. Often lobbyists or people who wanna defend it says its healthy for you and used in medicine (Yeah so is alcohol. That doesnt mean you should get super exposed to it)
But either case, they will often cite studies of how it has positive effect on your health. But what they neglect is there is also studies of lung cancer related to cannabis.
Now that study is somewhat sceptical because it is shown they mix nicotine elements in it.

My point is. Rather than say "trust the science". Maybe WAIT and see for 20 years and see how those pure cannabis smokers are doing and then conclude?
In other words. Legalizing it i would do in same way that cigarette smokers gets humiliated by, which is "WARNING LUNG CANCER" only way i would legalize it.

But alas thats enough of my rant. What you think?

Both are equally true, for a given value of truth (i.e. none). That is because, at base, they come from the same root religion whereby the ruler of the universe is a spoilt brat child who's never been told no.

Your god is Trelane.

PS if you're OG, why aren't you sacrificing your kids to El?

[Pat Mustard]

If we all came from the big bang, then does that mean that the big bang is in charge?

I see Science and Religion as two different things. Religion is basically faith in a invisible authority. Whereas science is to understand the natural world. How to build a car, how to build houses and such.

You're right, science is about reality and religion about fiction.

[brewer]

How can you be convinced by the truth of something merely comforting?

Like lots of stuff in life. People find comfort in friendship, baking food, parties etc.

But in the end humans are tribal. With religion it puts a more ease on the mind, one can feel more relaxed in that sense. Its one of the places where people feel they belong together in a sense.

God/Religion is a mental construct that many people find comfort in. If it works for you great. I've tried it and rejected it, basically because of what the religious do with the concept of god(s).

I'll find my own way without the need for an unchanging concept from antiquity. Humans use for it is waning, as it's flawed.

[Paleophyte]

Let me ask you something. When it comes to politics. People are often very tribal. I for example am not biggest fan of Two Party Establishment and prefer Representative Multiparty System. Or there is the blame game of saying someone hates this and that, slurs insults. All the nasty things people say. When one is in that type of world. Then finding comfort in something that people can truly find unification under, to me that sounds like a good deal.

While politics, ideology, tribalism, greed, and a host of other human faults are certainly to blame for their share of suffering you have to go a very long way to find anything that has caused more death and destruction than the wars that have been fought over exactly whose Imaginary Friend gets to be in charge. Religion is little more than a nasty mixture of politics and superstition.

[Mister Agenda]

I'd rather believe uncomfortable truths than comforting lies.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think it doesn't even matter what we'd rather do. I don't believe that people are actually capable of holding a belief when they believe or even suspect that it is a comforting lie. Our minds aren't under our control. A belief in that position is spiraling towards abandonment or retrenchment. I don't see any comfort in christianism (or cultural christianity by any name). Even if I did, I couldn't typify it. I couldn't live it. I see many benefits in things I won't typify, and that I won't do, too. There are now and have always been moments and belief sets in and around my life that I could plug into for advantages. To me, or to people I care about. I'm actually ashamed of this...but....I can just never do it.