Another question for Christians

[KichigaiNeko]

Have to agree Cinj....

Sooner or later it's all about blood

[fr0d0]

The question is strange, because Christianity did away with blood sacrifice (with Jesus taking their place). From that POV it was Xtianity that brought about civility in that respect.

The question is: why did/ does humanity put so much store in it, and why does blood = the best kind. Why do humans find it necessary to make ammends. Why do humans feel imperfect. I can hear Ryft thinking: because we are predisposed to come to God.

[KichigaiNeko]

Ya know fr0d0...I have looked into some of the most popular myths and the jeebus one is no more than "Blood on the snow" the death of the Winter king. Why it is ALL about blood I would assume (probably incorrectly) that humans soon found that one's "Life's Blood" was everything to living.

[Erinome]

I don't see how christianity brought civility to anything. Civility is being nice. I think it's safe to say that burning people alive is not nice. It's horrendous, from any point of view, or at least it should be. Christianity might have formally made an announcement that the blood sacrifice days were over, but there has been oceans of blood spilled since in the name of the lord jesus christ.

Don't ask us why blood is the best kind! Ask god. He's the one who sent his son as himself to be "the last blood sacrifice".

I do not feel I am personally predisposed to come to any gods. Any god, especially, that is so illogical that he can make the earth with a wave of his hand, make frogs rain from the sky, turn water into wine with a thought, but has to be a complicated dipshit when it comes to something civil like forgiveness for everyone... No way I could have or want to have anything to do with him.

Just sayin...

[DeistPaladin]

Yes, Christ did have to shed His blood to pay our price for sin, He was the next in line so to speak and the last, after His resurrection there were no more blood sacrifices.

Yes, I'm familiar with the Christian claim that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross atoned for our sins and did away with the animal sacrifices for atonement in the OT.

My question is WHY does blood sacrifice bring any atonement for our sins?

Just to be clear, a great alternative I see is that Yahweh just forgive us without the need of having his son, who was also himself, bleed on a cross. I'm capable of forgiving without sacrificing something. Why not Yahweh?

[The Grand Nudger]

[Godscreated]

Yes, Christ did have to shed His blood to pay our price for sin, He was the next in line so to speak and the last, after His resurrection there were no more blood sacrifices. There was a Indy Car driver killed in a race today and I found no pleasure in it, nor did the drivers or fans that I saw, so the only thing I can figure is that you are speaking from your own fillings.

Well of course you didn't take pleasure in a man dying! Neither would I. Society as a whole has evolved. The handful of religious sects that still practice blood sacrifice are few and far between. How retarded are you? I was trying to show that there is, even in today's world, a part of the human species that is dark and blood-thirsty. No we don't want innocent people to die ... but we sure as hell don't mind looking it up on the internet to see it on video playback.

Maybe that's not your thing. It's not for many, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a very very real human phenomenon. What is your point??

(also on a side note: you can't make any claims as to what OTHER people feel about the accidental death of a Indy race car driver - I don't care how connected to god you think you are)

Why not you did.^ Yes there are some terrible people in this world that like to see carnage fortunately they are few and far between. As far as blood sacrifice in some religions I did no it existed. What I do know is once the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed around 70 AD there were no more blood sacrifices by the Jews and christians do not have a need for such activity.

[The Grand Nudger]

"One Person cannot die for the sins of another.
A blood sacrifice is not required for forgiveness of sins.
Jesus was not the messiah.
God hates human sacrifices.
People are born pure and without original sin.
God is one and indivisible.
Jews believe in The Satan, but not The Devil.
God does not become human and humans do not become God."
http://whatjewsbelieve.org/

Jesus missed the memo.

[Minimalist]

Yes, I'm familiar with the Christian claim that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross atoned for our sins and did away with the animal sacrifices for atonement in the OT.

Xtians make lots of stupid claims and G-C is their king when it comes to that. In fact, what put an end to animal sacrifices in the temple was Titus' legionaries burning the fucking thing to the ground.

After that, Jewish priests started looking around for another way to make a living.

[Godscreated]

Hypatia, for one! Read my signature! Then we have the spanish inquisition, the holocaust, all the witch burnings etc..

http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/...ianity.htm

They weren't sacrificed for anyone's sins, but they were sacrificed in accordance with the bible:

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Sacrifices are for sin, punishment is for the ones who do not repent, you are trying to confuse the two just so you can make a point and you have failed. I nor any other christian can help what people in the past have done, just because they got it wrong does not mean that the good christians of today should be blamed. Stalin was an atheist do you want me and other christians to blame you and other atheist for what he did, I wouldn't think so. Stalin was not a sane man, his hate for all the people who could possibly get in his way made him that way and many so called christians have suffered the same thing, enough said.