Another question for Christians

[Minimalist]

Forgiveness no matter what: still underpins our legal systems.

Stop smoking that shit, frods. It's messing up your brain.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...559704.php

In Texas you don't even have to be guilty to be executed.

[Godscreated]

You must give up something or you would not feel the need to forgive someone.

???

I'm not following this logic. What am I giving up if I forgive someone?

To forgive someone you have to humble yourself and not think yourself above the offender, this is true forgiveness.

[KichigaiNeko]

You must give up something or you would not feel the need to forgive someone.

???

I'm not following this logic. What am I giving up if I forgive someone?

To forgive someone you have to humble yourself and not think yourself above the offender, this is true forgiveness.

Nice to see you STILL continually failing on that one G-C

[CoxRox]

Why does blood sacrifice make everything better?

By "make everything better" I mean enable God to forgive our sins.

As someone who believes that Jesus' death was not in vain, I often ponder these points. Before Jesus was killed (as the Passover Lamb), the Jewish sacrificial system involved animals. The animals were not killed JUST to be offered as sacrifices. They served as food for the people - so this is not wanton killing in order to appease an angry God. The life of the animal is represented in it's blood and hence the sprinkling of blood etc. Interestingly, other nations have had human sacrifices. The Israelites did not have human sacrifices. It was abhorrent to God.

When Jesus was killed by the Romans and Jewish leaders, they did not imagine, that they were offering up Jesus as some sort of sacrifice to God. Jesus gave His life willingly (He sacrificed it) ie He allowed evil to take it's course. The Romans and Jewish leaders meant evil in killing Jesus, but God meant it for good. I don't begin to understand and appreciate why Jesus had to die, or how His death brings reconciliation, but I get tantilising glimpses and understand that death is not the end now. Jesus conquered death and was the first fruit of the dead, to be raised to immortal life, and He promises to grant that immortal life to those who belong to Him. What an amazing man is He.

[KichigaiNeko]

Why does blood sacrifice make everything better?

By "make everything better" I mean enable God to forgive our sins.

As someone who believes that Jesus' death was not in vain, I often ponder these points.

Your "Jesus is a plagerism of a much older idea construct, of the Harvest King / Winter King

Before Jesus was killed (as the Passover Lamb), the Jewish sacrificial system involved animals. The animals were not killed JUST to be offered as sacrifices. They served as food for the people - so this is not wanton killing in order to appease an angry God.

They were killed to appease an angry dessert deity. Side benefit was that since the "empty shell" was left behind the "unworthy" could partake... usually in the form of the useless priests. Great con job there.

The life of the animal is represented in it's blood and hence the sprinkling of blood etc. Interestingly, other nations have had human sacrifices. The Israelites did not have human sacrifices. It was abhorrent to God.

It was called mass genocide...and was quite pleasurable to this desert deity.

When Jesus was killed by the Romans and Jewish leaders, they did not imagine, that they were offering up Jesus as some sort of sacrifice to God.

The "Romans" (nor any other nation at that time period) have any record of doing such a thing

Jesus gave His life willingly (He sacrificed it) ie He allowed evil to take it's course.

If you believe that you are beyond hope...No record of it ever happening.

The Romans and Jewish leaders meant evil in killing Jesus, but God meant it for good.

Funny that ...these Romans and Jewish Leaders felt the same way...ie: they were the ones that were doing good via politics...still no record of the god-boy.

I don't begin to understand and appreciate why Jesus had to die, or how His death brings reconciliation, but I get tantilising glimpses and understand that death is not the end now.

If you want to believe that ...go right ahead. If it helps you sleep at night, it's just a placebo for the gullible

Jesus conquered death and was the first fruit of the dead, to be raised to immortal life, and He promises to grant that immortal life to those who belong to Him. What an amazing man is He.

He never existed so could not have died and so could never be amazing. Now Maize is amaizing (pun intended) much more interesting than your god-boy and edible too!

I would suggest you have your "Jesus orgasm" on a religious forum??

[ElDinero]

CoxRox, weren't your religious views 'unsure' until recently? What wonderous event made you 'sure'?

[Jaysyn]

You must give up something or you would not feel the need to forgive someone.

To forgive someone you have to humble yourself and not think yourself above the offender, this is true forgiveness.

Bullshit & rationalizations.

[DeistPaladin]

To forgive someone you have to humble yourself and not think yourself above the offender, this is true forgiveness.

I'm tempted to label this a "non-sequitur" but perhaps you can explain why forgiveness = thinking yourself equal or holding a grudge = thinking yourself superior. And maybe we can tie all that into the prerequisite ritual of bleeding on a cross?

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, that platitude is meaningless to us, but it' very important in reenforcing the lowly state of man. Can't sell a cure when no one is sick.

[Minimalist]

What an amazing man is He.

And what a nutjob you are!