(November 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(November 14, 2015 at 1:24 pm)robvalue Wrote: Drich appears to follow Calvinism, as far as I can tell. Even among the head-exploding options that Christianity offers, I find this the most extreme and utterly depraved.

I doubt that. He seems to be too "universalist" to be a Calvinist,

I don't agree with anything universalist teach. They accept every one and every thing plus the deny the Holy spirit.That's a big no, no.

Again I believe in taking the power of salvation from Man's religious efforts and putting them back with Christ as the bible teaches.

If your looking for a lable try biblical Christian. my 'beliefs' are in what the bible teaches and nothing else.

(November 14, 2015 at 1:49 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there are unitarian universalists which of all religious beliefs i respect that one the most from what i know about them i dont think universalists are christians they believe jesus was just a man and not divine dont believe in trinity theory and there are many ways to experience God not just through 1 religion which is manmade from what i know so far they are more reasonable than most religions but hes prob a very dogmatic calvinist

are you a calvinist drich or are the calvinists a cult ? if they are teaching corrupted doctrine then they are a cult call it what it is . christians try and practice inclusiveness when the bible teaches exclusiveness and destroying your enemies which the new testament is loving your enemies which is contradictory whether you want to admit it or not destroy and forgive are opposites  you apologists have to work hard but you should question it all if its true itll be shown to be true .

Again, I believe Only what the bible teaches. I do not except 'everyone' as a universalist does. One has to be in a Jesus Christ (son of God) centered religioned and I teach the Holy Spirit.. So no not a universalist.

(November 14, 2015 at 1:57 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(November 14, 2015 at 1:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: He believes in no free will, and pre-destination for heaven or hell. Even if he wouldn't call it Calvinism, it seems to fit pretty well.

do he doesnt believe in salvation through faith if he believes in predestination what denominations believe in predesitination not salvation through faith in jesus . is that even christian to believe in predestination . maybe drich is a cult  lol

I believe those born in certain regions, are 'predestined' to answer the Call of God through structured Christianity (The church,) while others are not.

I believe Christ is the ultimate decider of who is and who is not saved, and this salvation is on faith alone. But not the faith of religion or faith as a specific denomination would identify it. But faith as a Child would have. Simple and uncomplicated. not tied to doctrines nor methods of worship. Meaning no religion is justified before God. It is a quality that only Jesus can identify. this is what saves, not what we call 'christian faith.'

again I believe in what the bible says. No more no less.

(November 14, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Irrational Wrote: A Calvinist probably wouldn't interpret Romans 1 and 2 the way he does. Drich seems to be saying that you don't necessarily need to know Jesus for salvation. As long as you live by the law in one's heart. At least that's the implication of his interpretation.

But who knows ...

I did not say that. I said one does not have to know RELIGION/Doctrine/Tradition Specific paths of Faith. None of these things determine one's Christianity. Only Jesus gets to do that. Jesus is what makes one 'christian.' Nothing nor no one else.

I am also saying with that statement, that only Christians will populate Heaven, but only in so far as what Christ identifies as 'Christian.' Christ's "Christians" may/Will come from other religions (According to what we will learn in romans which is repeated in other parts of the NT as well.) and also, not everyone who has awarded himself the title as Christian will infact be saved. Again, Christianity/Biblical Christianity has nothing to do with religion. It only has to do with relationship with God. One that starts with our greatest commands. Love God with all of our being and love our neighbors as ourselves.. There are many in 'christianity' who do not do these things while many outside of 'christianity' who do. It is Solely up to Christ to say who is and is not Christian.

That said, I do believe far more 'christians' will be found to be Christian by Christ than those outside of this religion.

The church/christianity is a much easier path to Christ than outside of the church, even though it has it pit falls and short commings.

(November 14, 2015 at 3:44 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Drich would espouse whatever sounds to him at the moment like it would make Jesus cock sucking idiots like him not sound so idiotic for being Jesus cock sucking idiots.

If it doesn't convince anyone else, he would adapt a didactic tone so he can convince himself it doesn't sound idiotic.

If you were honest with yourself, and looked over everything I have said these last few years here you will see that while I do not put it 'all out there' I do/have always preached in this same direction.

(November 16, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Drich Wrote:

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(November 14, 2015 at 1:49 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there are unitarian universalists which of all religious beliefs i respect that one the most from what i know about them i dont think universalists are christians they believe jesus was just a man and not divine dont believe in trinity theory and there are many ways to experience God not just through 1 religion which is manmade from what i know so far they are more reasonable than most religions but hes prob a very dogmatic calvinist

are you a calvinist drich or are the calvinists a cult ? if they are teaching corrupted doctrine then they are a cult call it what it is . christians try and practice inclusiveness when the bible teaches exclusiveness and destroying your enemies which the new testament is loving your enemies which is contradictory whether you want to admit it or not destroy and forgive are opposites  you apologists have to work hard but you should question it all if its true itll be shown to be true .

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Quote:Again, I believe Only what the bible teaches. I do not except 'everyone' as a universalist does. One has to be in a Jesus Christ (son of God) centered religioned and I teach the Holy Spirit.. So no not a universalist.

So you believe in cannibalism, racial and religious intolerance.  Is that something you really want to brag about?

(November 16, 2015 at 12:34 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 14, 2015 at 3:44 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Drich would espouse whatever sounds to him at the moment like it would make Jesus cock sucking idiots like him not sound so idiotic for being Jesus cock sucking idiots.

If it doesn't convince anyone else, he would adapt a didactic tone so he can convince himself it doesn't sound idiotic.

If you were honest with yourself, and looked over everything I have said these last few years here you will see that while I do not put it 'all out there' I do/have always preached in this same direction.

You're both right. Drich has been a consistent didactic bore, espousing idiocy for the 2-3 years I've been here.

(November 15, 2015 at 5:30 am)robvalue Wrote: In regards to salvation, if we have no free will, the criteria is entirely pointless.

"Free will" is a broken greek philosphy that anyone with 1/2 a brain knows is impossible. At least as it is understood through the rules of the term "Free will."

That said we do not have to have 'free will' in order to be given choice. Even if the choice is narrowed down to A or B we still have the ablity to choose. (Free will would state we make the choices if we don't like A or B we could invent C) Again that would not be biblically accurate. As most of you would agree You do not like the A or B God gives, if you had 'free will' all of you would be opt for a fence sitters "c".

Quote:God has already chosen everything we will do,

Again if we are not bound by the greek philosphy of 'free will' then we do not have to be under the rules that govern that philosphy.
If we do not have free will, so what. It does not mean God did not ever give us choice. Even if slaves work 12 hour days they still were given some freedom to choose what they would do when they were not working.
Life is not an either or. It's a mixture. Life is a highway with only two possible directions (That is the election part), but between where you start and where you are going their are many off and on ramps that we are free to choose from.
It's just that you will be judged on the direction you were going when you you die.

Quote:and this decides whether or not we will meet whatever criteria he makes up. God is just finding ways to justify to himself torturing sentient beings for carrying out actions he programmed them with.

-or maybe you simply can't wrap your head around that God/Judgment works differently than what you think it does.

Quote:The best interpretation here is that God is actually not aware that we are sentient. That's the only thing that could excuse such behaviour.

Are/were the A-holes who shot up paris friday night sentient beings?
Do you want them living with you around your family with no one to oppose them?

Quote:If God hasn't programmed us, but we don't have free will, that just leaves us with some form of behaviour based on random influences that even God can't predict. Even then, we're not to blame for our actions because we have no say in them.

How about, God hasn't programmed us, just put us on track with limited options. Even so we get to choose which options to take.

Quote:Drich has clearly stated he doesn't believe God gave us free will, but he may try to deny the logical conclusions as stated above.

Those conclusions are only 'logical' when you are bound by the laws of 'freewill.' however if you will allow you mind to see something other than the black or white (we are programed or we are completely independant of God) You will eventually come to the truth outlined in the bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mscjvqtBWIQ

It is possible for 'both to be happening at the same time.'

I find your romans thread to be entirely uninformative, and less than compelling.  IOW, I think it needs alot of work before you share it elsewhere. This is probably the only place you wouldn't be drummed out of after having made the comments you did. Certainly wouldn't fly from the pulpit or in fellowship. I'd suggest you find someone with a more thorough understanding of the work and be a student, before you play at being the teacher. There's already enough bullshit masquerading as biblical knowledge in the world, agreed?

I'm still waiting for drippy to demonstrate that his paul shit is inspired by some fucking god and not merely the heavily edited lunatic ravings of some ancient old fuckhead.

Guess I'll wait a long time, eh?