(March 4, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 9:24 pm)abaris Wrote: Satan, according to the narrative, is a moron. He starts out as one of god's favorite angels. So he has to know the omniscent and omnipotent stuff.

Who, not being totally mental, would rebell against such a being? And why would he play god's torturer afterwards? That's not in his best interest, but we already established that he's an idiot.

Who indeed members of ATHEISTFORUMS.Org???

One third of the angels decided heaven and god were not in their best interest and they were there.  No cryptic scriptures, no wondering which is the right god or right religion, but actually there and they left anyway.  That says volumes to me.

Those who knew him best would rather risk his godly wrath, than put up with another minute of his "I'm the boss of everything, I -made- you, hur dur" schtick.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

Who indeed members of ATHEISTFORUMS.Org???

Kind of goes over your head, doesn't it? I inserted that little word narrative, which was kind of a giveaway on what I think of the story in general. I only took the freedom to analyze your totally logic tale of an angel rebelling against a being he knows to be omniscient. And I called him an idiot. I could have called him a Mary Sue, for that matter, but I guess you wouldn't have understood that either.

(March 3, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: 1. Men accidentally corrupted the Bible despite trying not to (example: compare the list in Ezra 2 with the list in Nehemiah 7)
2. Satan is more intelligent and more powerful than any man
3. Satan is motivated to corrupt the Bible
4. ???
5. Satan cannot even corrupt the Bible to the same degree that man has

If you admit that Satan actually has corrupted the Bible, then boy are you in trouble. So premise 4 must be, "God manually prevents Satan from corrupting the Bible."

But then why doesn't God also manually prevent scribes from corrupting the Bible, especially if we can agree that they are probably praying for such divine intervention (John 14:13)? This would not be a vulgar miracle, nor would it be the overriding of free will. I know that some Bibles will be corrupted by man - I could easily type one up myself and change some things - but why has God allowed the corruption of the text to get so bad that there is not a single perfect copy on earth? And how does this reconcile with Psalm 12:6-7?

Because god doesn't exist?  

Seriously though, for a god to even think using an ancient language to convey his intentions was a good idea, it really sounds like a bunch of chuckleheads that had no divine assistance made up a bunch of stories -and then claimed god told them what to write.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Also the bible never says we have 'free will.' that was a greek philosophy not a biblical one.

The Bible has a lot of passages about free will.  Don't be a false prophet.

(March 4, 2016 at 5:18 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote:

(March 4, 2016 at 3:17 am)Godschild Wrote:

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1. At this moment I do not have a definitive answer for Ezra and Nehemiah. There are only a small difference in the names and a great deal that are the same, this could be due to people being called by different names, I have a friend I call by his middle name his family uses his first name. Reason when his family moved into the neighborhood I asked his name, was the same as mine asked his middle name and that's what I've called him ever since, many of his friends followed what I call him so he is known by two different names, one person two names. Happens more than you might think. 
2. Satan is more powerful and intelligent than any man who doesn't have Christ as is savior. 2 Cor. 4:4 The god (Satan) of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Satan misuses the scriptures--- Matt. 4:6-7 "If you are the Son of God," he said, throw yourself down. For it is written: " ' He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' " 7) Jesus answered him, "It is also written: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "    Satan misuses the scriptures and leads man to do the same. Notice that Jesus called himself Lord and God. 
3. Satan corrupts the Bible through leading man astray, those foolish enough to believe him. Jesus speaking to the people.  John 8:43-47 Jesus said to them, "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44) You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out the will of your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45) Yet because I tell the truth you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I'm telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47) He who belongs to God hears what God says. (notice Jesus calls himself God) The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.
4. What's this confused?
5.Satan is not allowed to mess with the written word of God, Satan is using someone here to try and corrupt God's word. 

Psalm 12 You should have read the entire chapter it really is a short read. This Psalm is about God's promise to protect the righteous from the unrighteous of that day. You really need to understand when you draw a couple of verses out of a chapter you can make whatever you want, your's was a poor attempt though. But then Satan knows this is the only way he can try and corrupt the word of God, using those who don't want to try and understand what God wants to do for man, Satan likes easy prey.

GC

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1. The difference in names is not the problem.  The problem is that of the three dozen entries, about half are give the same number and about half vary wildy, anywhere from 1 to 1100, and the variations are not always a multiple of ten or even in a single digits place.  Also there is not a uniform increase or decline from one to the other, but just random variation.

You were having a problem with the names before what happened? I'm not at home so I do not have access to all my books and I told you I couldn't explain the few differences in the passages from each book. As far as those differences go they make no changes to the spiritual teaching of the Bible, it is sound and uncompromising. you are nit-picking at trivial things like any child that doesn't know what they are talking about. Why don't just admit you want to live a life away from God and just stop trying to defend your unbelief with trivial things that change nothing about the saving knowledge scripture brings to man.

NV Wrote:2. So you are saying that Satan is more intelligent than me but not more intelligent than you?

No, I'm saying Satan is smarter than me, you and everyone else. I happen to have Christ to defend me from Satan's deceptions that you are falling for head over heel to the eternal damnation of your life.

NV Wrote:3. Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion.

Of coarse you don't, like I said through the use of scripture Satan has blinded you to the truth. He found you easy prey unfortunately. When one abandons their protection one will get bit.

NV Wrote:5. Why is it that Satan is not allowed to mess with the written word of God but yet humans mess it up all over the place?

Man corrupts the scriptures to satisfy his predetermined belief, the truth is written down and spread across the world so man can't corrupt the written word of God. Satan is not allowed to do a lot of things (you might not be here if he weren't contained), God hasn't ever let Satan to corrupt the written truth so man will always have a reliable spiritual guide. As for man's mind well as you can see by looking into a mirror that that Satan has accesses to the mind. 

NV Wrote:Want to throw out Psalms 12?  Fine, how about Matthew 5:18... oh wait, Jesus is talking about the "law."  inb4 GC goes full metal retard on us again.

I said nothing about throwing out Psalm 12, you've abandoned it because you've been shown the truth about this chapter in the Bible and you're mad because you got it wrong.
Do you think you've come here and brought and original thought or argument, well sorry to say this but you haven't and going online to find these arguments don't make them yours. Now for the verse that's be discussed numerous times and the atheist has always come out with nothing.
Matt.5:18 you've drawn out one verse to refute the entire Bible what a joke. You should have read the entire sequence of verses. If you had gone to verse 20 it says, "For I tell you unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. If you had cared to actually study the NT and seen that Jesus condemned the law keepers because they did it out of self pride not because they loved God. Jesus came to fill us with love for God, the law He spoke of is the laws given to all mankind not just the Israelites , you know the law I gave you hints of that you didn't go and search out others throughout the Bible. If you had cared to study the writings of Paul you would have been able to understand these laws, but no you want to nit-pick through the scripture and try and prove your disbelief. You must think the mature atheist here think you're cute with those little quips, I serious doubt it, grow up please. Like I said in the other thread, grow up or we're through till you do, I have better things to do than waste my time on a dust town. 
I want be back till Monday, if you answer I'll read it, if you act like a spoiled brat in your reply don't expect me to answer.

GC

(March 4, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(March 4, 2016 at 3:17 am)Godschild Wrote: 5.Satan is not allowed to mess with the written word of God, Satan is using someone here to try and corrupt God's word. 

Where did you get this from?

I was speaking of 'NV'. If you're referring to God's word, do you really think that God would allow Satan to corrupt God's written law when Satan had to have permission to deal with Job.

GC

Satan always seems to outsmart 'god.'  And the best the fucktards car do is invent this passive-aggressive pussy of a god who sits on his ass and says "some day....oh yes, some day..."

God has a lot in common with Jeb Bush.

(March 4, 2016 at 10:44 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 4, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Where did you get this from?

I was speaking of 'NV'. If you're referring to God's word, do you really think that God would allow Satan to corrupt God's written law when Satan had to have permission to deal with Job.

I don't know. Neither God nor Satan are available for comment. All I have is you, who appears content to pull things from his backside.

To me, the bible does heavily suggest that we do have free will. God interferes at several points and "hardens the hard" of people so that they will act a certain way.

Either they were going to act that way anyway and had no choice, in which case the story makes no sense and God is screwing around; or else they may have chosen to do something different had he not violated them with his God fingers.