Quote:"Theists are not looking for the answer to how life began

Because your luddites 

Quote:Many scientists are theists.

More are not . And their science and theism have dick all to do with each other . 

Quote:Theists also want proof. 

No you don't you want reinforcement 

Quote:Neither atheists or theists have that proof.

You have no proof . Atheism is not a question of proof . More of your ignorance .

(March 11, 2018 at 7:25 pm)He lives Wrote: Resources on Near-Death and Related Experiences

are available from the IANDS Store. Journal of Near-Death Studies The Journal of Near-Death Studies is the only peer-reviewed scholarly journal...........

Pro tip:  NEAR-death studies have nothing whatsoever to do with real, physical, permanent death.  The phenomenon known as a near-death experience appears to occur in a still-living brain in distress, possibly caused by hypoxia due to heart failure, and/or by release of assorted hormones in response to the crisis.

I believe that death is permanent and that there is no such thing as life after death and no such thing as a soul.

Don't believe me?  Then where does your "soul" go at night when you enter non-REM deep sleep?  If you can't even maintain awareness of your self when your brain is alive and healthy but producing low-frequency brain waves rather than the brain waves that normally accompany consciousness, what makes you think that you will be aware when your brain is completely dead?

Embrace your mortality.  Seek meaning in the real world, while you can.  Mourn the loss of your dead properly, rather than expecting to meet them again in heaven.  There is no escape.

Pixies.

Theists MUST believe in pixies.

And if they don't, they have to prove pixies don't exist.

(March 11, 2018 at 9:11 pm)He lives Wrote: Eternity is a long time.

And you and I will only experience an infinitesimal portion of it, so it isn't worth worrying about.

(March 11, 2018 at 11:59 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(March 11, 2018 at 7:25 pm)He lives Wrote: Resources on Near-Death and Related Experiences

are available from the IANDS Store. Journal of Near-Death Studies The Journal of Near-Death Studies is the only peer-reviewed scholarly journal...........

Pro tip:  NEAR-death studies have nothing whatsoever to do with real, physical, permanent death.  The phenomenon known as a near-death experience appears to occur in a still-living brain in distress, possibly caused by hypoxia due to heart failure, and/or by release of assorted hormones in response to the crisis.

I believe that death is permanent and that there is no such thing as life after death and no such thing as a soul.

Don't believe me?  Then where does your "soul" go at night when you enter non-REM deep sleep?  If you can't even maintain awareness of your self when your brain is alive and healthy but producing low-frequency brain waves rather than the brain waves that normally accompany consciousness, what makes you think that you will be aware when your brain is completely dead?

Embrace your mortality.  Seek meaning in the real world, while you can.  Mourn the loss of your dead properly, rather than expecting to meet them again in heaven.  There is no escape.

I believe there is very good evidence that there is indeed a spirit (soul) that survives the death of the body. I was in audience with Dr. George Ritchie who wrote the books Return From Tomorrow, and My Life After Dying. He was  pronounced dead twice and ultimately was revived by an injection into the heart. He was chairman of the Department of Psychiatry of Towers Hospital; and founder and president of the Universal Youth Corps. There have been hundreds of books written about near death and out of body experiences. The research is ongoing.

(March 12, 2018 at 2:09 am)He lives Wrote:

(March 11, 2018 at 11:59 pm)Astreja Wrote: Pro tip:  NEAR-death studies have nothing whatsoever to do with real, physical, permanent death.  The phenomenon known as a near-death experience appears to occur in a still-living brain in distress, possibly caused by hypoxia due to heart failure, and/or by release of assorted hormones in response to the crisis.

I believe that death is permanent and that there is no such thing as life after death and no such thing as a soul.

Don't believe me?  Then where does your "soul" go at night when you enter non-REM deep sleep?  If you can't even maintain awareness of your self when your brain is alive and healthy but producing low-frequency brain waves rather than the brain waves that normally accompany consciousness, what makes you think that you will be aware when your brain is completely dead?

Embrace your mortality.  Seek meaning in the real world, while you can.  Mourn the loss of your dead properly, rather than expecting to meet them again in heaven.  There is no escape.

I believe there is very good evidence that there is indeed a spirit (soul) that survives the death of the body. I was in audience with Dr. George Ritchie who wrote the books Return From Tomorrow, and My Life After Dying. He was  pronounced dead twice and ultimately was revived by an injection into the heart. He was chairman of the Department of Psychiatry of Towers Hospital; and founder and president of the Universal Youth Corps. There have been hundreds of books written about near death and out of body experiences. The research is ongoing.

There have been hundreds of books written about bigfoot and alien abduction. This proves nothing.

There is no compelling evidence for a soul or spirit. 

There are vague experiences. There are dark spots in our knowledge. And there are story-weavers pied pipering their message to those who want to listen and believe. There is just as much credible evidence that the soul survives death as there is for ouija boards, the abominable snowman, or haunted houses. You can't use anecdotal evidence to found theories about the the existence of a soul or its survival of bodily death.

How NDEs as the credulous imagine them to be could be earnestly tested or researched is a complete mystery.  We'd have to be talking about some sort of Flatliners scenario here.

(March 11, 2018 at 8:55 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 11, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Peer-reviewed by whom? Peer-reviewed does not always mean scientific.

Science does not have all of the answers. Some people believe that scientists know how life began, but they don't know. There are many scientific hypothesis regarding the beginning of life and none of them are provable. So if you want proof you are not going to find it.

Don't worry. Just give it time, and they'll figure out exactly how life began on earth. We don't just go for a "God explanation" for something just because we haven't figured out yet how it came about. God is not even an explanation. It's just a filler of knowledge gaps. The best stance is simply to acknowledge ignorance on the matter, and wait/hope for some actual explanation to emerge eventually.

That said, I am confident that abiogenesis, broadly speaking, has happened on this planet, in a similar way that I am confident lightnings occur due to purely natural processes (even though scientists are still trying to figure out exactly how they occur). So it's not Zeus throwing lightning bolts or anything like that.

(March 10, 2018 at 3:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(March 9, 2018 at 3:41 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 10:01 am)Astreja Wrote: No, *you* are incapable of considering that maybe, just maybe, you don't actually have truth.

No, you are wrong again. I know I have the truth because I know that the living God is real and has done exactly what He has promised and much more.

Quote: I can't lose my salvation because I've already answered the Holy Spirits calling.

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GC

Um . . .



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I think Scripture is pretty clear the requirement is to BELIEVE.  I think other Believers would be more comfortable with your claim if you used the Bible approved verbiage.  Why run the risk of doing it wrong by claiming 'knowledge' instead of 'belief' ??

  Paul's letters tell us we can have knowledge. You tell me how I can't know God is real when He has specifically answered prayers in a away that could not be coincidental. 
GC

Tell us specifically what prayers were answered, and how were they answered. You're great at telling half a story I notice. The last time it was "God reveals himself to me." You never went into detail about that either did you? It leads me to believe that you're just making shit up.