(May 17, 2018 at 1:58 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well, at least Trump won't go empty handed since Chinese government invested $500 million in Trump-linked construction project.

I wonder how many hundreds of millions dollars trump can wring out of the Chinese for his personal business empire before he declared the hundreds of billions of dollars of trade bilateral imbalance he pledged to his base to correct to have been duly corrected.  


The beauty of selling out one’s country to the best of one’s ability is one could always offer the buyer such a sweet deal.

(May 17, 2018 at 2:00 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 1:50 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: So you are this huge free trade advocate all of a sudden? When did that start? Oh yeah, 2016.

You don’t have to be a free trade advocate to relish irony of the fact that particular know nothing protectionist rabble rouser’s base pleasing protectionist policies came back to bit the ass of that very same base.

When did you actually achieve this current state of extraordinary density? Oh, yeah, 2016.

What?

I'm a free trade advocate. It's just funny to see a bunch of people do a 180 on it just cause Trump opposes it. Even though Bernie Sanders and he are both basically protectionists.

I argee that there is a lot ironic about Trumps supporters. Working class people thinking a billionaire from New York is just the start of it. So don't go tossing that accusation at me. Especially when you can't see the irony of the former statement.

When did he support untrammeled free trade?   Advocating not picking a trade fights with one’s chief creditor at the moment when one just ballooned one’s deficit, and when the other side is capable of retaliating in a way one is not equipped to withstand, is not the same as supporting totally free trade.   When didn you starting teaching to defend trump while pretending to be smart enough not to?

Oh, yeah 2016.

(May 17, 2018 at 1:50 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 12:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: This will teach those farmers a lesson!

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/china-n...trade-war/




You have no one to blame but yourselves.

So you are this huge free trade advocate all of a sudden? When did that start? Oh yeah, 2016.

I had no problem with NAFTA and even TPP was merely a recognition of the way the world is.  Something that Trumptards apparently can never grasp.  Those high-paying manufacturing jobs.... which were largely the result of unions pressuring employers.... were not coming "back."  Modern factories here use robotics to an extent unimaginable to the morons who think the 1950's were the gilded age.  It's the same with coal.  Rather than learn new skills the coal miners dream of glory days from the 19th century.  Natural gas has destroyed the coal industry.  The sooner you get your head out of your ass and realize that there is no going backwards the better off you will be.

(May 17, 2018 at 2:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 1:50 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: So you are this huge free trade advocate all of a sudden? When did that start? Oh yeah, 2016.

I had no problem with NAFTA and even TPP was merely a recognition of the way the world is.  Something that Trumptards apparently can never grasp.  Those high-paying manufacturing jobs.... which were largely the result of unions pressuring employers.... were not coming "back."  Modern factories here use robotics to an extent unimaginable to the morons who think the 1950's were the gilded age.  It's the same with coal.  Rather than learn new skills the coal miners dream of glory days from the 19th century.  Natural gas has destroyed the coal industry.  The sooner you get your head out of your ass and realize that there is no going backwards the better off you will be.

I mean, I agree with you on all that. I just am surprised that you have these views. Certainly didn't express them until Trump.

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(May 17, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: When did he support untrammeled free trade?   Advocating not picking a trade fights with one’s chief creditor at the moment when one just ballooned one’s deficit, and when the other side is capable of retaliating in a way one is not equipped to withstand, is not the same as supporting totally free trade.   When didn you starting teaching to defend trump while pretending to be smart enough not to?

Oh, yeah 2016.

What?? Your posts are getting less and less clear. I think you need to keep your ideas a little more consistent.

I think..Cap, you might have been imagining protectionists were there were none.  You referenced the bernieites earlier..for example..but Min was never one of those poor fuckers, lol.

(May 17, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think..Cap, you might have been imagining protectionists were there were none.  You referenced the bernieites earlier..for example..but Min was never one of those poor fuckers, lol.

I'm just surprised that he's a free trade advocate is all. I'm not denying it to be true, just surprised, as it's not something I ever heard him speak passionately about until Trump was elected.

I don;t see him speaking passionately about free trade now, either, just noting that russia is the constant beneficiary of Mad King MAGA's "america first" nonsense.

The other thing is that I've heard him deride libertarians many times, but if he's a pro-free trade liberal, he's not super far off from being one.

(May 17, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think..Cap, you might have been imagining protectionists were there were none.  You referenced the bernieites earlier..for example..but Min was never one of those poor fuckers, lol.

There are troglodyte protectionists, and out and out free traders whose may have a hidden agenda of profiting from shady practices while preventing these from being regulated, all in the name of free trade.   But in between there are many different shades and subtle gradations.

So throwing the term protectionist or free traders around really illuminates nothing.

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(May 17, 2018 at 3:06 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: The other thing is that I've heard him deride libertarians many times, but if he's a pro-free trade liberal, he's not super far off from being one.

No. Libertarians may tend to be for freer international trade, there are many other positions they tend to advocate that can be obnoxious to other people who are for different principles also supportive of freeer international trade.

It is childish rethorical strategum, but one sadly accurately calibrated for the level of judgement commonly seen in Americans electorates, to lay sole claim to a creditable position that is by no means unique to one’s own political camp, and then implies inconsistency in others if they were to support this position while oppose the camp’s other positions.