(July 27, 2018 at 11:09 am)Mathilda Wrote: A letter to the EU from citizens of the United Kingdom.

Well that seems like a meaningless gesture.

Better to print out such a letter and shove it up May's ass.

(July 27, 2018 at 11:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(July 27, 2018 at 11:09 am)Mathilda Wrote: A letter to the EU from citizens of the United Kingdom.

Well that seems like a meaningless gesture.

Well, whatever it may or may not achieve, it would be nice for them to know that it was not a landslide victory for Brexit... that it cannot be said in any way to represent the wishes of Britain as a whole, just half of it. Small comfort maybe, but still comfort.

(July 25, 2018 at 11:16 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm not familiar with the debate about Brexit, living in America where, the news only brings us news about America.  But I can imagine those in favor of Brexit had their reasons.  Here on the forum, I seem to only hear the anti-Brexit side, which might explain where overall I'm against Brexit.  But I might view the situation differently if I were familiar with the arguments that were made by those in favor of Brexit.

We have relatives who voted Brexit "to get the foreigners out" that was all. I have heard some people mention some strange rules set by Europe as well but mainly it was the racism.

(July 27, 2018 at 12:30 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(July 25, 2018 at 11:16 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm not familiar with the debate about Brexit, living in America where, the news only brings us news about America.  But I can imagine those in favor of Brexit had their reasons.  Here on the forum, I seem to only hear the anti-Brexit side, which might explain where overall I'm against Brexit.  But I might view the situation differently if I were familiar with the arguments that were made by those in favor of Brexit.

We have relatives who voted Brexit "to get the foreigners out" that was all. I have heard some people mention some strange rules set by Europe as well but mainly it was the racism.

Brexiteers’s claimed reasons are broadly similar to those given by southern States wishing to give ideologically more palatable cover for keeping negros enslaved, and the real reasons are also more than a little analogous.

(July 27, 2018 at 11:09 am)Mathilda Wrote: A letter to the EU from citizens of the United Kingdom.

Thanks, signed!

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(July 27, 2018 at 11:29 am)emjay Wrote:

(July 27, 2018 at 11:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Well that seems like a meaningless gesture.

Well, whatever it may or may not achieve, it would be nice for them to know that it was not a landslide victory for Brexit... that it cannot be said in any way to represent the wishes of Britain as a whole, just half of it. Small comfort maybe, but still comfort.

Not even half the whole population, just slightly over half of those that voted.

(July 26, 2018 at 1:19 am)robvalue Wrote:

(July 25, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Wololo Wrote: Not really, no.  Ye're the crowd in the tent pissing all over everybody else.

About 90% of the EU's problems since the nineties, from the overliberalisation of the single market, through the rapid and stupid Eastern European expansion to the creation of the Euro can be laid firmly at successive UK governments' feet.

Though the UK was largely acting as the US's lapdog in these endeavours.  De Gaulle was right.

I see, I didn't realize that things were that bad. I guess this will make getting a deal even harder then?

About the only country willing to give ye a good deal are us.

(July 27, 2018 at 11:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(July 27, 2018 at 11:09 am)Mathilda Wrote: A letter to the EU from citizens of the United Kingdom.

Well that seems like a meaningless gesture.

You could equally say the same about a protest march. Or voting for a small party that won't win.

Currently remainers have no voice and the government are talking about implementing the will of the people (they are not). Brexiters are talking up the small majority that won even though that majority probably no longer exists. Both main parties want Brexit so there's no one to vote for to stop it. There is no second referendum planned either. We need to do seize every opportunity to help stop Brexit.

You could equally say that Americans waving placards saying 'NOT MY PRESIDENT' is a meaningless gesture. It's not. We need to remind the government that there is a very large proportion of the electorate being ignored and we're not happy.

(July 27, 2018 at 1:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: Not even half the whole population, just slightly over half of those that voted.

A sizeable majority voted to Remain in my country (Scotland) and we're still being forced out the EU even though the party in power want to stay in.

To hear the Daily Mail tell it, the whole country's full of brexiters... and all remainers... what they call remoaners... have either switched sides or are too ashamed to show their faces. I like the Daily Mail... see it basically as the Sun without the tits ... so an entertaining if not necessarily accurate read just they are incredibly biased about Brexit, and it's almost amusing to see them trying to dictate a reality they hope would be the case but clearly isn't... as if saying it enough times will make it true.

(July 28, 2018 at 3:18 am)emjay Wrote: To hear the Daily Mail tell it, the whole country's full of brexiters... and all remainers... what they call remoaners... have either switched sides or are too ashamed to show their faces. I like the Daily Mail... see it basically as the Sun without the tits ... so an entertaining if not necessarily accurate read just they are incredibly biased about Brexit, and it's almost amusing to see them trying to dictate a reality they hope would be the case but clearly isn't... as if saying it enough times will make it true.

I hate "Brexiteer" it makes them sound romantic, like they're off to fight the kings guards. I prefer brexis, gives them the right wing sound that they deserve.