The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11:1-9

While Genesis 10 established the differences between the nations of the ancient world in terms of descent and language, this passage is an attempt (in the form of a myth) to explain how these differences emerged. God, upon seeing the human race so united on building a tower that could reach the heavens, prevents the completion of the building process by confusing their language, thus causing various divisions among the people by language and having them scattered across the whole world.

Why, in this passage, did God not want the people to build such a tower? One interesting answer I thought up just a short while ago is because such a tower being completed with such unity would indicate a utopian type of society that God had no intention of allowing to exist (especially if it was not dependent on him). He wanted man and woman instead to experience struggles in life and learn and grow in the process. As man and woman had already eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the paradise of Eden was no longer an option for humankind. Thus, God's scattering of the people to prevent another Eden.

(October 29, 2018 at 10:09 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(October 29, 2018 at 9:08 am)Drich Wrote: So, that's all you got? kill the messenger... no wonder you put such importance in my spelling... you honestly think that is you taint the messenger's credibility you do not have to address the message. what a small minded person you've shown yourself to be. in the real world you know the world that elected trump despite the best efforts of people such as yourself.. Real people are not playing those games any more real people demand answers to the material or the promises made they are not concerned by the package the message is wrapped in so much as the content of the message it self. I provided 3 video that conclusively show everything I pointed to. If you want to be apart of this conversation then show me stronger source.. you can't just say some one is a stupid head and expect me to take you seriously.

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No again that would literally be post 181. At least I can reference the bible. buckster can't or hasn't referenced anything...  but I appreciate the irony.  It is always funny as hell when atheists demonstrate a complete lack of self-awareness.

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see buckster this is how something is refuted.. now all jorge has to do is refute the other 1.5 hour video which actually brings us to what is said to be joseph's tomb, joseph's canal and the 1200 semitic towns they are uncovering.

Of all people here, YOU are the last one who is in a position tell anyone how something is done. But nice try, patronizing one.  
AFTER being shown that the videos you referenced were made by an incompetent charlatan, (not unlike yourself), you REPEAT your mistake, and pile on the SAME erroneous crap. The problem is "what is *said* to be anything is NOT good enough. It must be PROVEN. You have no proof. The BEST Israeli archaeologists (which YOU have not even addressed ... not EVEN ONE point) say there is no evidence of Israel in Egypt. Until you do, your rubbish is dismissed for what it is. Rubbish. Do try harder next time, sport. Maybe one of these years you'll come up with something true or of value. Your whiney "kill the messenger" garbage is irrelevant. You have no *message*. The messenger is flat out incompetent and ignorant, (as demonstrated by your constant misuse and bad use of English). Your knowledge of religion and the ancient Near East is totally lacking. Totally. You're an amateur. Everyone can see that.

no no no you are jumping the gun retard... I listed three videos.. one of the mention the ring/royal seal. there is literally hundreds of other points and pieces of evidence between the other two videos.. Jorge invalidated one and only did so by pointing out there was a semitic king of egypt of the same name as what was on the seal.. (the video says Joseph was that king) And the wiki page says nut-huh.. To which i conceded because the point was still made..

And assuming now... you are to M-f-ing stupid to understand the significance of that, allow me to explain semite= what Jews were known as before the exodus.  Semite king= pre-Jews in egypt... think about it moron. even if this was not Joseph (which is all Jorge's reference trs to dispel which a counter argument could be made) the underlying argument that there were "jews" in egypt is settled. Which means you BS paper is garbage. Technically again they were not jews till they received the law well after the exodus, but they were semites, the same semite found in the northern delta where this royal seal was found. the jews left and the semites stayed, but before the exodus they were all semites..


As far as explain why Joseph's  would have his fathers name on it was because that is in tradition with the pharaohs. they never took a common name they always aligned themselves with great men or great names. Jacob is the greatest in his short line (aberham disgraced himself before a previous king by telling him his wife was his sister and the tried married her before God intervened.)

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(October 29, 2018 at 10:36 am)Grandizer Wrote: The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11:1-9

While Genesis 10 established the differences between the nations of the ancient world in terms of descent and language, this passage is an attempt (in the form of a myth) to explain how these differences emerged. God, upon seeing the human race so united on building a tower that could reach the heavens, prevents the completion of the building process by confusing their language, thus causing various divisions among the people by language and having them scattered across the whole world.

Why, in this passage, did God not want the people to build such a tower? One interesting answer I thought up just a short while ago is because such a tower being completed with such unity would indicate a utopian type of society that God had no intention of allowing to exist (especially if it was not dependent on him). He wanted man and woman instead to experience struggles in life and learn and grow in the process. As man and woman had already eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the paradise of Eden was no longer an option for humankind. Thus, God's scattering of the people to prevent another Eden.

it wasn't the tower so much as it was "these men can accomplish anything they set their mind too." Meaning they would have most likely takes humanity down a much different path, then the one we are on now. Not to mention all of the natural resources being consumed by this project would mean ultimately mean war as all of their sores would have been depleted the country side ravaged for good brick soil and straw which leaves no room from crops or livestock food. and the builders slave or not would have to eat. which means they would have to expand out, not as a means to assimilate people, but to grab for resources which means everyone not apart of the project would have to die.

Quote:you honestly think that is you taint the messenger's credibility you do not have to address the message.

Simcha Jacobovici is a charlatan.  The writer/producer of The Naked Archaeologist he was once told by real archaeologist, Aren Maier ( excavating Gath in Israel even now ) that "you are not naked and you are not an archaeologist."

You're a jerk dripshit.  You accept with total credulity whenever some shithead tells you what you want to hear.  Probably explains why you are a fucking jesus freak in the first place.  No bullshit filters at all in your head!

Let it go Drich.  Let them relax, and reflect in peace, the fact they are reflecting is a good a sign,  reflection will eventually lead to the truth if they keep doing it.  The Bible has enough clear proofs that if reflected upon will prove everything they are searching for.

(October 29, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:you honestly think that is you taint the messenger's credibility you do not have to address the message.

Simcha Jacobovici is a charlatan.  The writer/producer of The Naked Archaeologist he was once told by real archaeologist, Aren Maier ( excavating Gath in Israel even now ) that "you are not naked and you are not an archaeologist."

You're a jerk dripshit.  You accept with total credulity whenever some shithead tells you what you want to hear.  Probably explains why you are a fucking jesus freak in the first place.  No bullshit filters at all in your head!

what of the douche bags who hate the idea of the bible being right but have embraced the undeniable evidence that jacobovici is finding by the truck loads everytime he digs another hole?, not to mention the 2000 or so other holes he is planning to dig!!! Your 'brethern' (the modern ones) all have but reinvented the reason for the semites/hebrews people in the northern egyptian delta?

 if your teletype/how ever you get on line to post, will google yaqubhar you will see some of you have taken the bible narritive and changed it to fit this undeniable evidence that you seem too stuck in 1970's reasoning to deal with. In essence yaqubhar was a sparticus type who went on to be king till the rest of egypt rose up and forced the slaves out of egypt and into what amount to jerusalem.. This is the new take... so all of you douche bags who claim there is no evidence... tell it to the sciencey types who are on the front lines they are giving the cow away, by admitting what you and Zahi Hawass swears there was no jews in that region!

Seems to me the current trend is not to deny the existence of semitic slaves but to reimagine/reboot the narrative. something that explain the change coming from all of this new evidence but not in line with the bible.. because you ass holes will not admit when you are wrong even if God shows you all up himself, by preserving absolutely everything you claim you want or need to see to acknowledge the bible as a historical source. but when actually confronted with this evidence, You just reboot the franchise and pretend that everything you were claiming never existed and this new story which all but mirrors the OT was the way it always was.

Don't worry though there will be a wall or a tablet or something that tells the whole story and what's more it will only differ in spelling grammar you know the stuff God doesn't seem to judge people on...

My prayer for you is you live long enough to see it long enough to see the hypocrisy in those who find it and discard it as graffitti or find some bs reason to ignore the bible yet again..

Drich

Quote:no no no you are jumping the gun retard... I listed three videos.. one of the mention the ring/royal seal. there is literally hundreds of other points and pieces of evidence between the other two videos.. Jorge invalidated one and only did so by pointing out there was a semitic king of egypt of the same name as what was on the seal.. (the video says Joseph was that king) And the wiki page says nut-huh.. To which i conceded because the point was still made..

And assuming now... you are to M-f-ing stupid to understand the significance of that, allow me to explain semite= what Jews were known as before the exodus.  Semite king= pre-Jews in egypt... think about it moron. even if this was not Joseph (which is all Jorge's reference trs to dispel which a counter argument could be made) the underlying argument that there were "jews" in egypt is settled. Which means you BS paper is garbage. Technically again they were not jews till they received the law well after the exodus, but they were semites, the same semite found in the northern delta where this royal seal was found. the jews left and the semites stayed, but before the exodus they were all semites..


As far as explain why Joseph's  would have his fathers name on it was because that is in tradition with the pharaohs. they never took a common name they always aligned themselves with great men or great names. Jacob is the greatest in his short line (aberham disgraced himself before a previous king by telling him his wife was his sister and the tried married her before God intervened.)

All totally irrelevant, and YOU, YOU ... have not addressed EVEN ONE point the Israeli archaeologists make.
You are no Christian. NO Christian swears at people like you do, or calls people names like "retard". You do follow the example of Trump, not Jesus, you hypocritical bastard.

It's "there ARE", not there "is" when it refers to a plural reference. Did you ever go to school ? Ever ?
It's "TOO" M-Fing stupid, not "to" M-Fing stupid. You are SO incredibly ignorant you can't even insult correctly. LOL.
"aberham" ?? It's "Abraham" dear. Do try to go back and finish 6th Grade .... ASAP.
Meanwhile put me on ignore, please. You are an ignoramus, and beneath contempt. Tell your Jebus to send in the Varsity, not the B squad benchwarmers, sport.  

aberham ..... in-fucking-deed.
LMAO

There are no gods. You have no evidence of any gods.
Take your shit cult and peddle it somewhere else.

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(October 29, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 29, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Simcha Jacobovici is a charlatan.  The writer/producer of The Naked Archaeologist he was once told by real archaeologist, Aren Maier ( excavating Gath in Israel even now ) that "you are not naked and you are not an archaeologist."

You're a jerk dripshit.  You accept with total credulity whenever some shithead tells you what you want to hear.  Probably explains why you are a fucking jesus freak in the first place.  No bullshit filters at all in your head!

bla bla bla ....

No serious scholar of the OT takes it literally any longer. They haven't for at least 75 years.
Ever since (in the 1950's) the most prominent Conservative Biblical Scholars said (in the 13 Volume "Interpreters Bible")  it could not be taken literally, the consensus in academics, is that it cannot be taken literally.
You are simply utterly ignorant of the current state of scholarship.

James 1:26
"Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless."

LOL

(October 29, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Drich

Quote:no no no you are jumping the gun retard... I listed three videos.. one of the mention the ring/royal seal. there is literally hundreds of other points and pieces of evidence between the other two videos.. Jorge invalidated one and only did so by pointing out there was a semitic king of egypt of the same name as what was on the seal.. (the video says Joseph was that king) And the wiki page says nut-huh.. To which i conceded because the point was still made..

And assuming now... you are to M-f-ing stupid to understand the significance of that, allow me to explain semite= what Jews were known as before the exodus.  Semite king= pre-Jews in egypt... think about it moron. even if this was not Joseph (which is all Jorge's reference trs to dispel which a counter argument could be made) the underlying argument that there were "jews" in egypt is settled. Which means you BS paper is garbage. Technically again they were not jews till they received the law well after the exodus, but they were semites, the same semite found in the northern delta where this royal seal was found. the jews left and the semites stayed, but before the exodus they were all semites..


As far as explain why Joseph's  would have his fathers name on it was because that is in tradition with the pharaohs. they never took a common name they always aligned themselves with great men or great names. Jacob is the greatest in his short line (aberham disgraced himself before a previous king by telling him his wife was his sister and the tried married her before God intervened.)

All totally irrelevant, and YOU, YOU ... have not addressed EVEN ONE point the Israeli archaeologists make.
You are no Christian. NO Christian swears at people like you do, or calls people names like "retard". You do follow the example of Trump, not Jesus, you hypocritical bastard.

It's "there ARE", not there "is" when it refers to a plural reference. Did you ever go to school ? Ever ?
It's "TOO" M-Fing stupid, not "to" M-Fing stupid. You are SO incredibly ignorant you can't even insult correctly. LOL.
"aberham" ?? It's "Abraham" dear. Do try to go back and finish 6th Grade .... ASAP.
Meanwhile put me on ignore, please. You are an ignoramus, and beneath contempt. Tell your Jebus to send in the Varsity, not the B squad benchwarmers, sport.  

aberham ..... in-fucking-deed.
LMAO

There are no gods. You have no evidence of any gods.
Take your shit cult and peddle it somewhere else.

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(October 29, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Drich Wrote: bla bla bla ....

No serious scholar of the OT takes it literally any longer. They haven't for at least 75 years.
Ever since (in the 1950's) the most prominent Conservative Biblical Scholars said (in the "Interpreters Bible)  it could not be taken literally, the consensus in academics, is that it cannot be taken literally.
You are simply utterly ignorant of the current state of scholarship.

James 1:26
"Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless."

LOL

what If I can show you where jesus call the religious leaders of his day the equivalent of retard in his time? what if I can show you where called his deciples that?

Jesus was not the pansey you atheist douche bags point him out to be... he was mean and a little short tempered. I also see a man tired of people like yu not getting it or rather do get it and deny themselves the truth. so for them/to you he held nothing back.

Don't you understand that is the reason they had him killed? Jesus humiliated these men of great standing and fortuitous power day in and day out without mercy or intention of stopping. they were going to loose the respect and fear of the people if they did not have Christ killed. Christ was brutal in making fun of these men calling moron and loosers (using his day's vernacular) 

Can you imagine how mad you have to be at someone to set them up for that type of death and punishment? The last thread I answered was about clarifying that Jesus was calling the religious leadership literal sons of the devil and not knowing God at all.. Imagine you having the rank of the pope or a senior cardinal and I tell you you are the sons of the devil..  what would a douche son of the devil say??? "Meh,not very christ like" John 8 beee-otch..

Oh and calling you a m-fing is holding my tongue because m-fing as you like to point ut does not spell anything!! which just tickles me soo.. that you would point out the word to and accept m-fing as a word when to is a word just not the right version while mfing at best is a poor abbreviation. what a douche.


Do you know why you squeal so? do you want to know why it hurts you soo much you must plead with what you perceive to be the limitations of my christianity to stop????

because despite my inept ability in basic spelling and grammar I or rather the source material I use is correct. (source coming from God of course) my points are on point and everything I say is right, and no matter how well you spell or word your objections your position is wrong, and you can not stand someone not as smart as yu pretend to be lord being right over you when I clearly do not know which tooo is to many  You are smarter you should be ding the victory laps, but rather I have you pinned in such a way you are pleading to my 'christianity' to stop making you look the fool.

Do you want to know the secret that the pharisees themselves never figured out? how to get Jesus to stop making them look so stupid in front of their peers?
Just a dimes worth of humility. Meaning if you can not admit you are wrong, simply close your mouth/don't write back. I generally don't chase people down when I say something they have nothing to respond back with. I figure they get it even if they will not admit it. but for people like you I enjoy breaking them. you all are never studied meaning you research nothing most of the time common definition elude you in favor of pop culture definitions. you NEVER EVER look anything up spiritually and rarely can be bother to google anything. 

why? 

because for vain people such as yourself intelligence is about appearance here appearance is all about spelling and grammar. Even subject matter is almost non important item for you. you few who grade papers (because that is all you truly ever bring to the conversation n the way of original thought) you paper graders often judge and seek to be judged in the one and only one area you seem proficient at, and you will bend omit and change the subject any way possible to bring it back to paper grading.. that and the plees to my christianity to play by the rules you made up for christians to play by so you can't be called the names you use to describe everyone who disagrees with you.


sound about right? or do I need to copy and paste you pleading with me to stop calling you names and using my 'christianity' as a tool to try and do so.. it seems when ever you get into trouble you forget the lesson you learned last time you used this tactic on me so this time I will call you out by leaving my analsis of your efforts where everyone can see them plain as day.. 

If you get so distressed as to have to call a person's religion into the conversation as a panic stop button each and every time you find yourself in over your head and loosing face to someone you think yourself to be the better of.... then perhaps in reality you need to keep to the shallow end of the pool and taunt the big fish from there or better yet get out of the pool/conversation if you find yourself too deep (even if in the shallow end)

What a pansy.. "Drich wwjd... Drich jesus would not make fun of his detractors... Drich jesus was a laid back not pot smoking version of the big leboski... "

how about no.. maybe you worshiped some 1/2 hippy version of the jesus found in the bible, but your life showed you that god was false... so what makes you think I would worship the same version of God you know not to be real???

As you so mfing stupid to not understand the reason you NEVER experienced God is because you f-ed it up? that your version of God was so wrong he could not support it? Granted He migh have let you into heaven, but he says if build our faith on not truths about God he will send the wind and rain to obliterate your faith. Why? so you can start over and seek the truth. But this lazy generation wrong dully assumes that just because you failed there can't be a God. not God is going to honor you with answered petition when ever you call.

You are atheist because your initial understanding of God failed. meaning hippy jesus you want me to be like is not real dummy!!! For those who opposed him Christ was hard on them till they broke, but on the back side was also there to answer any serious questions they did have. nicodemus was a pharisee who came to Christ in the middle of the night to ask question. there was zacchaeus who was a despised tax collector he even openly answered the traps set by the pharisees and sadducees but at the end of each one of those they trappers became the game/jesus made them look the fool.

That bruh is my God that is the jesus of the bible and that is who you challenge through me as I represent him closely. Come at me hard and I promise I will swing for the fence line by line. ask an honest question get an honest answer.

(October 29, 2018 at 3:23 pm)Drich Wrote: bla bla bla ....

tl:dr
You have no clue why anyone is an atheist, ignorant troll.
What you are is an ignorant presumptuous angry old man, and obviously religion has done nothing for you.
FIRST, you have to prove there is a god, and that Jesus existed. You can't.
All your pre-canned answers you bought off the shelf at Fundy-land are wrong.
Go away. No one cares about the shit you attempt to write.

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--"
Ephesians 2:8

Some were not given the "gift" THAT is why they are atheists.

The gods are all made in the image of men.
That why you have an angry judgmental Jebus.
You are an angry judgmental person who gets off on playing "superior" Church Lady.
So .... your Jebus is an angry judgmental Church Lady.
(There is NO Christian congregation / group that would approve of your behavior ... not one. Obviously you are a "loner" ... is that why you are so angry ?)

How boring.

https://tenor.com/view/special-dance-chu...if-7279913

Drich, God can better guide then you and me.  Let them reflect over the Bible.  The Torah is amazing. Let them reflect....

Even if they don't get it right, they might re-reflect over it 2nd time, a 3rd time, etc, they don't have to believe to reflect nor is it only a guidance if believed in, it's a better guidance if believed in, but it will guide to that, if they reflect and take their time, and not be hasty in conclusions.

This is what OP is doing. He is too be praised for it.

Quote:Let it go Drich.

It takes chutzpah for you to tell another religitard to let it go when you spam thread after thread with the same sort of inane bullshit that dripshit does.  Have you no shame.

And Drippy, Jacobovici is an assclown.  Just like you.  And he has been shown to be an assclown over and over.  Just like you.