Quote:Here is where the 'thinker' misses the point..

But of course, he's a renowned scholar and you're just an asshole waving a bible around....

You lose.

Aw fuck, yet another good thread ruined by a river of nonsense proceeding out of the Eden of bullshit and incompetence.

(November 20, 2018 at 1:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 1:11 pm)Drich Wrote: things like the bible God and the nature of man... if someone can't give a complete, answers all questions answer and keep it under two sentences itain't worth the time..

Gottcha.. looks like I will just cry myself to sleep knowing another one just fell through the cracks... Or maybe another one who doesn't want to go any deeper than the surface crap they use to distance themselves from God.. 

Either Way so long as you are happy with it. I myself Think i can go on living without being called a bigot or liar or having fallacious reasoning by you or jorgie every time I quote or use material that does not agree with your core beliefs.

Drich, the reason I'm not interested in your interpretations is not because I'm not interested in the subject.  I am.  I'm not personally interested in your interpretations because you're an incompetent moron who has nutball ideas about everything, including the bible.  Perhaps even especially the bible.  Your beliefs about Genesis make that fact plain, and your incompetence in coming to accurate conclusions about the bible is amply illustrated both by your tohu-bohu misadventure, as well as your repeated demonstration of stupidity and incompetence in general.  You are a bibliot with no actual competence, skill, or acumen regarding the bible.  I'm not interested in your interpretations because they're worthless and highly likely to be wrong at multiple levels.  Just as I wouldn't listen to Dunning-Krugers like Everena  lecture me about evolution or God, I'm not likely to have any interest in listening to you, and often for the same reason.  You're just another self-important Dunning-Kruger who thinks that he shits gold, when in fact it is things coming out of your ass which is probably the only accurate thing about that description.  You're a fucking moron, Drich, on everything, but especially when it comes to the bible.

You should have added a *mic drop* at the end of that. 

Where are we, passage-wise?

Thinking of throwing my hat in the ring

Taking off from where Drich left off

(November 20, 2018 at 1:11 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible despite never claiming to be perfect is still a map and the proof of any map is to test to see if it takes you where it is supposed to go. Meaning does the bible set you up to find yourself before God.. yes... That is where the blade of the old battle axe is hidden. not as a rule book not as a source of infallible material but does this book place you before God in this life if you so follow that path laid out. The answer minnie is yes. Yes it still works.

Cute li'l sermonette there sport.
The only god the Bible places one before, is the Babylonian war god, Yahweh Sabaoth, the "lord of hosts", (oh... and his wife/consort Ashera). Can't forget her.
Thanks. But no thanks.

(November 20, 2018 at 1:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 1:11 pm)Drich Wrote: things like the bible God and the nature of man... if someone can't give a complete, answers all questions answer and keep it under two sentences itain't worth the time..

Gottcha.. looks like I will just cry myself to sleep knowing another one just fell through the cracks... Or maybe another one who doesn't want to go any deeper than the surface crap they use to distance themselves from God.. 

Either Way so long as you are happy with it. I myself Think i can go on living without being called a bigot or liar or having fallacious reasoning by you or jorgie every time I quote or use material that does not agree with your core beliefs.

Drich, the reason I'm not interested in your interpretations is not because I'm not interested in the subject.  I am.  I'm not personally interested in your interpretations because you're an incompetent moron who has nutball ideas about everything, including the bible.  Perhaps even especially the bible.  Your beliefs about Genesis make that fact plain, and your incompetence in coming to accurate conclusions about the bible is amply illustrated both by your tohu-bohu misadventure, as well as your repeated demonstration of stupidity and incompetence in general.  You are a bibliot with no actual competence, skill, or acumen regarding the bible.  I'm not interested in your interpretations because they're worthless and highly likely to be wrong at multiple levels.  Just as I wouldn't listen to Dunning-Krugers like Everena  lecture me about evolution or God, I'm not likely to have any interest in listening to you, and often for the same reason.  You're just another self-important Dunning-Kruger who thinks that he shits gold, when in fact it is things coming out of your ass which is probably the only accurate thing about that description.  You're a fucking moron, Drich, on everything, but especially when it comes to the bible.

  Wow.. such passion and assurity! meaning your assessment of my exegetical ablty is so complete and confidently stated.. it is almost like you yourself are or have to be a expert in the bible to levy such a judgement onto me... Yet at every turn when scripturally confronted your recourse is not to discuss scripture but other things like my nature, my reasoning ability and or my lack of formal training, or when you do it is strain nits to pick... This sort of response is curious to me because I have indeed studied with men of great understanding of scripture (doctors of theology from accredited schools) and each and every time someone in the 'know' addresses scripture they seek to correct. rarely if ever have I experienced such a personal barrage from someone with any real knoweledge.. They always take the time to go line by line and disassemble my argument and for each point I make the make a counter and then offer supporting material that proves me wrong.

 (sound familiar?) If it does it is not because it is a practice you have undertaken yourself. That is what I do. 

 Sun tzu says make your opponent think you are weak where you are strong, and strong where you are weak. 

So for example here, when you attack a perceived weakness like my "biblical interpretations" all I must do is point out how you refute them. in that you rarely if ever address the message/you do not speak biblically. you seek to attack and discredit the messenger. rather than like a 'smart person' would attack where I am wrong, and can easily be shown to be wrong with exegetical proof in the message. you discredit the person if it had something to do with being able to also discredit the message. 

Do you even see your own hypocrisy???

If you are not of the intelligence to refute or correct my 'biblical interpretations'... then it is by your own dunning-kruger self importance can you even possibly levy judgement against any form of interpretation. an ability you have yet to manifest let alone defend properly yourself on any real level. at best you rely on the works of others and when challenge you like the rest of your peer group fall apart. hence your need to attack the messenger rather than the message. Rather than seek to correct as I have from day one post number 1.

so... yeah, don't be mad at me for not crying my self to sleep tonight because you and all your self inflated importance doesn't like my 'bible interpretations because you think I should not be smart enough to have an opinion given my background... Look a here sport if you learn one thing from me is know that God uses the foolish things of this world to trip up and confound the wise and learned. That is why he picked fishermen and general laborers to confound and undermine the educated elite of his day. I by your own recognizing fit this requirement, and if God is real He would use men like me to up end and destroy the people you turn to when confirming your own pop moral world views.

An appeal to Dunning-krugger what a moron... no one can use that argument unless they themselves fit that bill, or they themselves are on an einstein level.. is that what you are Jorgie? an einstein?

Did I ever tell you I have a chicken named george? she was named after one of the beatles.

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(November 20, 2018 at 1:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Aw fuck, yet another good thread ruined by a river of nonsense proceeding out of the Eden of bullshit and incompetence.

Then maybe you should just stick to pm-ing your peeps..

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(November 20, 2018 at 2:27 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote: Where are we, passage-wise?

Thinking of throwing my hat in the ring

Taking off from where Drich left off

yeah sorry noob if you were looking for a change. I will finish this book, and it will take more than an angry dragon lady to stop me.

TwoKnives, Genesis 15 was the next passage I was going to cover before I announced a temporary break. I'll be doing that chapter soon actually (now that I'm back in the mood), but you (and others, including Drich) are free to offer your own commentaries/interpretations of these passages.

(November 20, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 1:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Drich, the reason I'm not interested in your interpretations is not because I'm not interested in the subject.  I am.  I'm not personally interested in your interpretations because you're an incompetent moron who has nutball ideas about everything, including the bible.  Perhaps even especially the bible.  Your beliefs about Genesis make that fact plain, and your incompetence in coming to accurate conclusions about the bible is amply illustrated both by your tohu-bohu misadventure, as well as your repeated demonstration of stupidity and incompetence in general.  You are a bibliot with no actual competence, skill, or acumen regarding the bible.  I'm not interested in your interpretations because they're worthless and highly likely to be wrong at multiple levels.  Just as I wouldn't listen to Dunning-Krugers like Everena  lecture me about evolution or God, I'm not likely to have any interest in listening to you, and often for the same reason.  You're just another self-important Dunning-Kruger who thinks that he shits gold, when in fact it is things coming out of your ass which is probably the only accurate thing about that description.  You're a fucking moron, Drich, on everything, but especially when it comes to the bible.

  Wow.. such passion and assurity! meaning your assessment of my exegetical ablty is so complete and confidently stated.. it is almost like you yourself are or have to be a expert in the bible to levy such a judgement onto me... Yet at every turn when scripturally confronted your recourse is not to discuss scripture but other things like my nature, my reasoning ability and or my lack of formal training, or when you do it is strain nits to pick... This sort of response is curious to me because I have indeed studied with men of great understanding of scripture (doctors of theology from accredited schools) and each and every time someone in the 'know' addresses scripture they seek to correct. rarely if ever have I experienced such a personal barrage from someone with any real knoweledge.. They always take the time to go line by line and disassemble my argument and for each point I make the make a counter and then offer supporting material that proves me wrong.

 (sound familiar?) If it does it is not because it is a practice you have undertaken yourself. That is what I do. 

 Sun tzu says make your opponent think you are weak where you are strong, and strong where you are weak. 

So for example here, when you attack a perceived weakness like my "biblical interpretations" all I must do is point out how you refute them. in that you rarely if ever address the message/you do not speak biblically. you seek to attack and discredit the messenger. rather than like a 'smart person' would attack where I am wrong, and can easily be shown to be wrong with exegetical proof in the message. you discredit the person if it had something to do with being able to also discredit the message. 

Do you even see your own hypocrisy???

If you are not of the intelligence to refute or correct my 'biblical interpretations'... then it is by your own dunning-kruger self importance can you even possibly levy judgement against any form of interpretation. an ability you have yet to manifest let alone defend properly yourself on any real level. at best you rely on the works of others and when challenge you like the rest of your peer group fall apart. hence your need to attack the messenger rather than the message. Rather than seek to correct as I have from day one post number 1.

so... yeah, don't be mad at me for not crying my self to sleep tonight because you and all your self inflated importance doesn't like my 'bible interpretations because you think I should not be smart enough to have an opinion given my background... Look a here sport if you learn one thing from me is know that God uses the foolish things of this world to trip up and confound the wise and learned. That is why he picked fishermen and general laborers to confound and undermine the educated elite of his day. I by your own recognizing fit this requirement, and if God is real He would use men like me to up end and destroy the people you turn to when confirming your own pop moral world views.

An appeal to Dunning-krugger what a moron... no one can use that argument unless they themselves fit that bill, or they themselves are on an einstein level.. is that what you are Jorgie? an einstein?

Did I ever tell you I have a chicken named george? she was named after one of the beatles.

Having just corrected you on the requirements for salvation in another thread, all I can say is that this is just more rationalization from a moron who is too stupid to know how stupid he is.

Thanks Drich. The extra sauce is expected, but hardly exculpatory.

Genesis 16

Abraham decides to help God along in his promise...

Some time passes between the promise God made and the sacrifice abraham made to God about 10 years and sarai Mrs. Ham says to mr ham it is past time for me to have children and I know God promised you to be a father of a nation of people. it was obvious to her God was not going to use her so she offered abe her slave. Abe is not recorded to have object and by the net result went along with the plan. hagar the slave had a son!.. Now this emboldened the save and she started to treat the wife badly. God reminded the wife that the slave was just a slave and her could indeed fight back. meaning in that time even a first wife was superceeded by the wife who boar the first son (pecking order of wives). So again God said she was not his wife but a slave so Sarai treated her badly and the slave hauled off with the unborn boy...

Or hagar finds out that she will have a boy by an angel she meets while camped out under some trees.. he tells her who this boy is (ishmael) and because he is of Mr. Ham, he too will spawn a nation, but one the opposite of his 1/2 brother to be from Sarai. Basically he and his children will oppose the sons of sarai. Then He convinces her to go home and work things out She see this intervention as God taking care of her and her son and calls God the "one that see me." even then direct interaction between God and man was rare.
She went home and gave birth to ishmael. Abe was 86.

(November 20, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 1:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Drich, the reason I'm not interested in your interpretations is not because I'm not interested in the subject.  I am.  I'm not personally interested in your interpretations because you're an incompetent moron who has nutball ideas about everything, including the bible.  Perhaps even especially the bible.  Your beliefs about Genesis make that fact plain, and your incompetence in coming to accurate conclusions about the bible is amply illustrated both by your tohu-bohu misadventure, as well as your repeated demonstration of stupidity and incompetence in general.  You are a bibliot with no actual competence, skill, or acumen regarding the bible.  I'm not interested in your interpretations because they're worthless and highly likely to be wrong at multiple levels.  Just as I wouldn't listen to Dunning-Krugers like Everena  lecture me about evolution or God, I'm not likely to have any interest in listening to you, and often for the same reason.  You're just another self-important Dunning-Kruger who thinks that he shits gold, when in fact it is things coming out of your ass which is probably the only accurate thing about that description.  You're a fucking moron, Drich, on everything, but especially when it comes to the bible.

  Wow.. such passion and assurity! meaning your assessment of my exegetical ablty is so complete and confidently stated.. it is almost like you yourself are or have to be a expert in the bible to levy such a judgement onto me... Yet at every turn when scripturally confronted your recourse is not to discuss scripture but other things like my nature, my reasoning ability and or my lack of formal training, or when you do it is strain nits to pick... This sort of response is curious to me because I have indeed studied with men of great understanding of scripture (doctors of theology from accredited schools) and each and every time someone in the 'know' addresses scripture they seek to correct. rarely if ever have I experienced such a personal barrage from someone with any real knoweledge.. They always take the time to go line by line and disassemble my argument and for each point I make the make a counter and then offer supporting material that proves me wrong.

 (sound familiar?) If it does it is not because it is a practice you have undertaken yourself. That is what I do. 

 Sun tzu says make your opponent think you are weak where you are strong, and strong where you are weak. 

So for example here, when you attack a perceived weakness like my "biblical interpretations" all I must do is point out how you refute them. in that you rarely if ever address the message/you do not speak biblically. you seek to attack and discredit the messenger. rather than like a 'smart person' would attack where I am wrong, and can easily be shown to be wrong with exegetical proof in the message. you discredit the person if it had something to do with being able to also discredit the message. 

Do you even see your own hypocrisy???

If you are not of the intelligence to refute or correct my 'biblical interpretations'... then it is by your own dunning-kruger self importance can you even possibly levy judgement against any form of interpretation. an ability you have yet to manifest let alone defend properly yourself on any real level. at best you rely on the works of others and when challenge you like the rest of your peer group fall apart. hence your need to attack the messenger rather than the message. Rather than seek to correct as I have from day one post number 1.

so... yeah, don't be mad at me for not crying my self to sleep tonight because you and all your self inflated importance doesn't like my 'bible interpretations because you think I should not be smart enough to have an opinion given my background... Look a here sport if you learn one thing from me is know that God uses the foolish things of this world to trip up and confound the wise and learned. That is why he picked fishermen and general laborers to confound and undermine the educated elite of his day. I by your own recognizing fit this requirement, and if God is real He would use men like me to up end and destroy the people you turn to when confirming your own pop moral world views.

An appeal to Dunning-krugger what a moron... no one can use that argument unless they themselves fit that bill, or they themselves are on an einstein level.. is that what you are Jorgie? an einstein?

Did I ever tell you I have a chicken named george? she was named after one of the beatles.

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(November 20, 2018 at 1:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Aw fuck, yet another good thread ruined by a river of nonsense proceeding out of the Eden of bullshit and incompetence.

Then maybe you should just stick to pm-ing your peeps..

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(November 20, 2018 at 2:27 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote: Where are we, passage-wise?

Thinking of throwing my hat in the ring

Taking off from where Drich left off

yeah sorry noob if you were looking for a change. I will finish this book, and it will take more than an angry dragon lady to stop me.

Alright, I won't be stealing your thunder then, I'll still be chipping in with my view on the Genesis chapters here and there.