Sinning, as Jesus and the church say, is good. Turn or burn Christians.


Protestants through Martin Luther agree.     

“Be a sinner and sin strongly, but more strongly have faith and rejoice in Christ.” Martin Luther



Christians and Catholics agree and sing of sin being a happy fault, due to keeping Yahweh’s Great Plan on track.


The Eden myth agrees as it has Yahweh insuring sin by putting the talking serpent into Eden, --- possessed by Satan, --- and giving her a role.


The sex of the talking serpent is not known, --- as far as I know, --- but she is likely female.


Females were always vilified in scriptures. Even to making Jesus’ wife a loose woman.
 
Women are the archetypal source of evil for man; and deserves it. Happily. They are the evolutionary prize.
 
Not for sin, of course. That is mostly man’s fault, thanks to testosterone.
 
Men are forced to compete for women and those competitions are the source of all human to human evil.
 
The problem of evil is puny as compared to the greater good of our continuing existence.
 
Gnostic Christians were known as the only good Christians. This, of course, given that my old Jesus mind has created my Christ consciousness, --- thanks to Gnosis, --- I know this to have some merit, but cannot personally take that label. It must be recognized.
 
One cannot acclaim oneself legitimately.
 
I can claim to be a great sinner, because you have to be to have a Christ consciousness. I have sinned in my mind and that is as good as doing evil, said Jesus.
 
Given my old Jesus consciousness, that is morphing into my Christ consciousness, --- through sinning greatly, --- I would invite all believers to do so, so as to get closer to god.
 
I did not check the Qur’an, but like the other Abrahamic religions, it too likely has Allah thinking sin is a really happy fault and great part of God’s Great Plan.
 
The mentally Catholic/Christian/Torah part of me, has to agree with how Yahweh, although I hate to give that genocidal ^^&*&^&*  any credit for anything the mythicists put into his vile demiurge mouth.
 
The term Demiurge was likely invented by the more polite Gnostics. I like my modern interpretation. Plain evil.
 
I had to modernize it so that the literalists would perhaps take note and reduce his status; at least to below Jesus and Hitler. Mind you, literalists would have Jesus do Armageddon. Yuk.
 
As men compete and create most of the human to human evil in the world, a necessary evil, let us all pray that those that have shown themselves to be the fittest oligarchs, remember how generous they have been in the past and personally, I would like to see them compete in their philanthropy, that has already greatly improved our socio economic progress.
 
Are the Abrahamic religions correct in their view of sin being good? 
 
I think they are but should work a lot harder at teaching Abrahamists what that means, so as to check their turn or burn unreligious views.
 
It is Christians who must turn from their vile god, or burn, not the other way around as Christians claim.
 
Regards
DL

Where - exactly - does Jesus say that sinning is good?

Platonists, not Gnostics, invented the term demiurge, and Yahweh doesn’t qualify (a demiurge has to be created).

Boru

(September 20, 2020 at 5:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Where - exactly - does Jesus say that sinning is good?

Platonists, not Gnostics, invented the term demiurge, and Yahweh doesn’t qualify (a demiurge has to be created).

Boru

I gave example in the O.P.

It is clear that we are naturally inclined to sin, in the sense of creating victims when we compete and win. That is the only reason for the human to human evils we do.

If Jesus/Yahweh did not want us to sin, he would not have put Satan in Eden to insure we did and Christians could not call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

Simple logic and reason.

Are you a sinner, as described as a competitor in life,  and can you help it?

Use evil if you cannot use the word sin.

Regards
DL

(September 21, 2020 at 7:48 am)Greatest I am Wrote:

(September 20, 2020 at 5:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Where - exactly - does Jesus say that sinning is good?

Platonists, not Gnostics, invented the term demiurge, and Yahweh doesn’t qualify (a demiurge has to be created).

Boru

I gave example in the O.P.

It is clear that we are naturally inclined to sin, in the sense of creating victims when we compete and win. That is the only reason for the human to human evils we do.

If Jesus/Yahweh did not want us to sin, he would not have put Satan in Eden to insure we did and Christians could not call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

Simple logic and reason.

Are you a sinner, as described as a competitor in life,  and can you help it?

Use evil if you cannot use the word sin.

Regards
DL

No, you did not give an example where Jesus sinning is good. If you have one, trot it out.

Boru

I think he's referring to felix culpa, not so much something jesus said as a thing that has found itself expressed in christian literature since, well..christianity.

It mirrors the alleged necessity of christs gruesome death as ransom. That there are bad things which lead to, or are necessary to, gods good plan. This, in sum, makes them good things. The relationship between jesus and judas in new magic book is a play on this theme.

(September 21, 2020 at 7:54 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I think he's referring to felix culpa, not so much something jesus said as a thing that has found itself expressed in christian literature since, well..christianity.

That bit I have no argument with. Christian theology is rife with the silliness that if you don’t sin, you can’t be forgiven. And if you can’t be forgiven, you can’t get into heaven.

But GIA claimed Jesus said sinning is good, then doubled down on that claim.

There’s plenty of ammo to use for dismantling the tenets of Christianity without making shit up.

Boru

GIA is a christian. He's not looking to dismantle any of it's tenets. More that he's imploring christians to fully explore and dive into them. If sin is, as christians have long insisted, a happy fault, and if we gain a christ (or christian) consciousness by acknowledging our sin™ (and sin in such a hilariously christian way) this is not a rejection of christian belief - it's a full throated reaffirmation.

(September 21, 2020 at 8:02 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: GIA is a christian.  He's not looking to dismantle any of it's tenets.

Immaterial, really.

Boru

Í don't accept the premise of 'sin' as usually represented in Christian theology.

(September 21, 2020 at 8:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 21, 2020 at 8:02 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: GIA is a christian.  He's not looking to dismantle any of it's tenets.

Immaterial, really.

Boru

(September 21, 2020 at 8:07 am)Sal Wrote: Í don't accept the premise of 'sin' as usually represented in Christian theology.

GIA does.  

We may have to simply disagree, here, Boru.  I think that it is material to the discussion that GIA is a christian and is affirming the christian concept of sin as described by jesus in new magic book as well as the christian tradition of moral inversion in the face of gods plan.  There's nothing in any of that that could or should be construed as an attempt to dismantle christian tenets. What GIA is insisting is not that christian tenets are wrong, but that christians are doing it wrong.

I know, I know, every kind of christian believes that about every other kind. If we wanted to be super pedantic we could correct him on even more fundamental ground. Jesus never said shit because the character in new magic book was never a real boy. The authority of an imaginary character having or having not said a thing is a non-starter.