(December 10, 2022 at 2:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote: No one should care "who" or "what" I am. Unlike God, I can "pass" as a biological woman.

I also think you can be who you are. You believe it's true even though you can't back it up with scientific data, but you use the argument against God. Maybe atheists are more fluid than you let on.

Quote:I also think you can be who you are.

No, you don't ...

Quote: You believe it's true even though you can't back it up with scientific data, but you use the argument against God.

Considering multiple scientific fields recognize transgender people as valid I say you are full of it. No scientific field supports the existence of god.So this comparison is absurd...

Quote:Maybe atheists are more fluid than you let on.

Nope, not even close...

(December 10, 2022 at 2:53 pm)Lek Wrote:

(December 10, 2022 at 2:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote: No one should care "who" or "what" I am. Unlike God, I can "pass" as a biological woman.

I also think you can be who you are. You believe it's true even though you can't back it up with scientific data, but you use the argument against God. Maybe atheists are more fluid than you let on.

For me, in particular, no scientific evidence exists, but, for others, neurological scans have indicated that the brains of transgender females are more similar to those of biological women than they are to biological men. Similar results hold for transgender males.

I guess you do accept that there are characteristics that belong solely to female gender since you use them to explain why you believe you are female.

(December 10, 2022 at 4:45 pm)Lek Wrote: I guess you do accept that there are characteristics that belong solely to female gender since you use them to explain why you believe you are female.

In our Society, it is not typical for biological men to openly shave their legs, trim their eyebrows and wear skirts & dresses in public with makeup, long hair and long, painted fingernails. Many biological women appear this way on occasion, but some never do; biological men even less so.

(December 10, 2022 at 4:45 pm)Lek Wrote: I guess you do accept that there are characteristics that belong solely to female gender since you use them to explain why you believe you are female.

You really, really want stereotypes that you are familiar with, don't you?

(December 10, 2022 at 5:11 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(December 10, 2022 at 4:45 pm)Lek Wrote: I guess you do accept that there are characteristics that belong solely to female gender since you use them to explain why you believe you are female.

You really, really want stereotypes that you are familiar with, don't you?

I'm trying to point out that if both genders are the same there are no genders.

Quote:I'm trying to point out that if both genders are the same there are no genders.

This has already been explained to you multiple times....

Nor does your logic even remotely follow.

I said it once I'll say it a million times what's male and female in terms of gender is up to the individual for themselves and just because there is overlap or even multiple overlaps this is not invalidation of the concept of gender and neurological scans are just something you can add the pile as brain scan similarities alone do not determine gender. I'm sneaking suspicion Lek is just playing dumb as this isn't complicated.

(December 10, 2022 at 5:05 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 10, 2022 at 4:45 pm)Lek Wrote: I guess you do accept that there are characteristics that belong solely to female gender since you use them to explain why you believe you are female.

In our Society, it is not typical for biological men to openly shave their legs, trim their eyebrows and wear skirts & dresses in public with makeup, long hair and long, painted fingernails.  Many biological women appear this way on occasion, but some never do; biological men even less so.

True and any of those things could be masculine or feminine depending on how the person who identifies as a man or woman defines it for themselves. Leks' idea that this means genders don't exist because traits overlap is just silly.