Lion: your claim that Christianity is on the rise in Australia is bullshit. You have no "facts" no matter how much you carry on like a pork chop.
Once again - from data gathered from the 2011 census:

the friggen Australian Bureau of stats Wrote:Since the first Census, the majority of Australians have reported an affiliation with a Christian religion. However, there has been a long-term decrease in affiliation to Christianity from 96% in 1911 to 61% in 2011. Conversely, although Christian religions are still predominant in Australia, there have been increases in those reporting an affiliation to non-Christian religions, and those reporting 'No Religion'.

In the past decade, the proportion of the population reporting an affiliation to a Christian religion decreased from 68% in 2001 to 61% in 2011. This trend was also seen for the two most commonly reported denominations. In 2001, 27% of the population reported an affiliation to Catholicism. This decreased to 25% of the population in 2011. There was a slightly larger decrease for Anglicans from 21% of the population in 2001 to 17% in 2011. Some of the smaller Christian denominations increased over this period - there was an increase for those identifying with Pentecostal from 1.0% of the population in 2001 to 1.1% in 2011. However, the actual number of people reporting this religion increased by one-fifth.

and also:

the friggen Australian Bureau of stats Wrote:The number of people reporting 'No Religion' also increased strongly, from 15% of the population in 2001 to 22% in 2011. This is most evident amongst younger people, with 28% of people aged 15-34 reporting they had no religious affiliation.

Now pull your head out of your fucking arse and address the fact that you are wrong.

(October 16, 2012 at 8:50 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Again with the 1986, 2001, 1921 smoke and mirrors.
The 2011 versus 2006 FACTS provided in my posts stand UNCHALLENGED.

Here is where your "facts" have been challenged:
My first challenge with links to the ABS for evidence.
This is where darkstar shows you with graphs.
With that you stated "I included the religion ''Not Stated" numbers which is a 2006 Census option that was absorbed/replaced by "No Religion" in 2011."
This is where I shot down that reasoning.
Here I remind you of my posts because you seem to want to avoid them.
Your reply to my post without confronting the posts from previous. Avoidance again!!!!!
System of solace refutes your claims from you own link you provided.
Your reply with nothing new except where you introduce new figures with showing increase in numbers of some religion but not in the original context of percentages of the population.
My reminder again of my unanswered posts
This is where pocaracas shows a picture of the ABS sites information( how did you do that, amazing)
System of solace post
Here is where you introduce a new link making out that it is the same as your original link given by you.
Darstar's post saying you link has no stats for 2011
System of solace post proving that you are a liar.
Brunitski chimes in with a great post.
By this time the posts are coming from every direction at you this is where I will stop. Got to be quicker at this typing busioness.

(October 16, 2012 at 9:50 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(October 16, 2012 at 9:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Not wishing to stir anything here, but when did Min become associated with political correctness?

Not to mention, when has it been politically correct to criticize christianity?

For the last 50 or 60 years at least. Well at least in America. In other parts of the world where Christians are actually suffering, not so much. But in those parts of the world, they don't have to worry about political correctness because they actually know what is or what is not appropriate unlike the United States where they have to train themselves to do so.

Min. America would be better off had they not rebelled.

(October 16, 2012 at 10:15 pm)Waratah Wrote:

(October 16, 2012 at 8:50 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Again with the 1986, 2001, 1921 smoke and mirrors.
The 2011 versus 2006 FACTS provided in my posts stand UNCHALLENGED.

Here is where your "facts" have been challenged:
My first challenge with links to the ABS for evidence.
This is where darkstar shows you with graphs.
With that you stated "I included the religion ''Not Stated" numbers which is a 2006 Census option that was absorbed/replaced by "No Religion" in 2011."
This is where I shot down that reasoning.
Here I remind you of my posts because you seem to want to avoid them.
Your reply to my post without confronting the posts from previous. Avoidance again!!!!!
System of solace refutes your claims from you own link you provided.
Your reply with nothing new except where you introduce new figures with showing increase in numbers of some religion but not in the original context of percentages of the population.
My reminder again of my unanswered posts
This is where pocaracas shows a picture of the ABS sites information( how did you do that, amazing)
System of solace post
Here is where you introduce a new link making out that it is the same as your original link given by you.
Darstar's post saying you link has no stats for 2011
System of solace post proving that you are a liar.
Brunitski chimes in with a great post.
By this time the posts are coming from every direction at you this is where I will stop. Got to be quicker at this typing busioness.

Don't forget my posts on page 17.

(October 16, 2012 at 8:22 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:

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(October 16, 2012 at 8:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianit...since_1901


According to the chart contained herein the percentage of xtians in Australia has declined from 96.9% in 1921 to 61% in 2011. I'll settle for that. It shows your bullshit is dying on the vine.

Oh nice. Now were back to 1921 versus 2011.

What percentage of Pre-colonization Aborigines were religious?

Heres some more census stats I missed.

Look at this phenomenal growth in religion in Aust!

Buddhists up a massive 26.3% from 2006 (And you wonder why ''Old Atheists'' are deserting the ship for ''Atheism Plus'')

Islam/Muslims up a massive 39.9% from 2006 (wonder if they support gay marriage?)

Hindus up a massive 26.3% from 2006 (oh my gods!!!! How can you debunk that many?)

Source : Same as I cited earlier. Nothings changed. (Facts are Facts.)

Table S7.5 http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/...E2%80%9310

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Game over.

Wait a minute...didn't someone already do this?
Checking his other link...
Here we go:

Sorry about the size.

Polaris...the charters for the colonies were documents that clearly stated business interests, it was only after the faithful intentionaly tanked these legitimate business interests that they went about establishing anything "for the glory of god", for example. This work ethic I keep hearing about btw, (if the early colonists are anything to go by) was one of intentionally sabotaging your employer for personal gain. You see, the colonists found that as long as the company was losing money they were eager to sell rights to the land for next to nothing. Naturally, they went out of their way to make sure the company lost money...lol. It was the charter system itself which incentivized underachievement and failure, which was why the system was very quickly abandoned in light of the experience.



Tell me again, what is it exactly that caucasians do, btw? Fucking idiotic response.

Just checking to see if anyone has been able to back up their claims that I lied by showing errors in my stats.

Nope. Nothing as usual. Yawn. Same old waving of arms obfuscation.

Here's My Aust Census Exam Question Answers.
Multiple Choice

From 2006 to 2011 # Muslims in Australia increased by
A. 15.0%
B. 39.9%
C. 26.3%
D. 6.5%

Lion Answers B. 39.9%


From 2006 to 2011 # Buddhists in Australia increased by
A. 15.0%
B. 3.2%
C. 26.3%
D. 6.5%

Lion Answers C. 26.3%


From 2006 to 2011 # Hindus in Australia increased by
A. 7.0%
B. 13.1%
C. 86.0%
D. 6.5%

Lion Answers C. 86.0%


From 2006 to 2011 # Christians in Australia increased by
A. 0.1%
B. 1.13%
C. 0.00002%
D. 3.6%

Lion Answers C. 3.6%


From 2006 to 2011 # Catholics in Australia increased by
A. 6.1%
B. 0.00000000000005%
C. 0.00002%
D. 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001%

Lion Answers A. 6.1%


From 2006 to 2011 The percentage of people in Australia who reported No religion and/or Not stated Inadequately described
Declined from 30.6% of Census respondents to
A. 15.0%
B. 18.5%
C. 1.2%
D. 22.3%

Lion Answers D. 22.3%

(October 17, 2012 at 1:50 am)Lion IRC Wrote:

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Just checking to see if anyone has been able to back up their claims that I lied by showing errors in my stats.

Nope. Nothing as usual. Yawn. Same old waving of arms obfuscation.

Here's My Aust Census Exam Question Answers.
Multiple Choice

From 2006 to 2011 # Muslims in Australia increased by
A. 15.0%
B. 39.9%
C. 26.3%
D. 6.5%

Lion Answers B. 39.9%


From 2006 to 2011 # Buddhists in Australia increased by
A. 15.0%
B. 3.2%
C. 26.3%
D. 6.5%

Lion Answers C. 26.3%


From 2006 to 2011 # Hindus in Australia increased by
A. 7.0%
B. 13.1%
C. 86.0%
D. 6.5%

Lion Answers C. 86.0%


From 2006 to 2011 # Christians in Australia increased by
A. 0.1%
B. 1.13%
C. 0.00002%
D. 3.6%

Lion Answers C. 3.6%


From 2006 to 2011 # Catholics in Australia increased by
A. 6.1%
B. 0.00000000000005%
C. 0.00002%
D. 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001%

Lion Answers A. 6.1%


From 2006 to 2011 The percentage of people in Australia who reported No religion and/or Not stated Inadequately described
Declined from 30.6% of Census respondents to
A. 15.0%
B. 18.5%
C. 1.2%
D. 22.3%

Lion Answers D. 22.3%

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It's not even fun any more watching you dig your own grave, you are not worth listening to anymore since you posts are full of crap. I will not be responding anymore since you will be on my ignore list.

Ok, let's have look, shall we? Oh look, Lion has gone for the fingers in ears approach! I so didn't see that coming. Y'know Lion; as well as being a liar and an idiot, you are a real thread killer. I've seen you do this over and over. It's getting tedious now.
Meh

I think I've had it with non-sense!
This is what the question was in the 2006 census (LINK):


Notice that "no religion" is an option.
The "not stated/inadequately described" is simply people using their right not to answer an optional question.

In the 2011 census, it looked like this (LINK):


Notice the similarities.

In 2006, the people who answered "no religion" were 18.7% of the total population, according to the link you, Lion IRC, provided here:

(October 12, 2012 at 12:52 am)Lion IRC Wrote:

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(October 11, 2012 at 7:57 am)Waratah Wrote: I would rather fixate on your incorrect information that you have stated you got from the ABS but have not provided a link. You get caught out either making a mistake or lying and you want to talk about swear words. Nice avoidance. Admit your mistake or confess your lie. If you can't do that then I will have to assume what you write can be classed as bullshit( Oh fuck I just swore, god damn it I am a dickhead(for balance cunthead) sometimes).

I already said my stats came from the EXACT SAME SITE.

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Heres the link.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/...02012-2013

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Every single stat I quoted is factual. Wanna argue with me?
Bring it!

"No religion/Religion Not Stated''
2006 - 30.6%
2011 - 22.3%

Total # Christians in 2011 up 3.6% from 2006

Total # Catholics up 6.1% from 2006

Those are the ABS stats.
Now what have you got...apart from blather?



See ronedee, thats the difference between me and him.

I would NEVER assume my opponent thought I was so incredibly stupid that they could get away with passing off made-up stats.

DUH....you must think I'm stupid and swallow everything I'm told

Me - "no, why would I think that?

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In 2011, the people who answered "no religion" were 22.3% of the total population, according even to the information you wrote.


"Religion not stated" is something entirely different.
Yes, in 2006, there were 11.9% of the population who did not state their religion (your table S7.5 LINK):


This is what the stats look like in 2011 (LINK):


If you do the math, the total percentage there does not add up to 100%. Instead, it adds up to 90.8%, meaning that the "religion not stated" percentage for 2011 is 9.2%.

So, in total.
2006:
-> no religion = 18.7%
-> Religion not stated = 11.9%
+ Sum of these two = 30.6%

2011:
-> no religion = 22.3% (more than in 2006)
-> Religion not stated = 9.2% (less than in 2006)
+ Sum of these two = 31.5% (more than in 2006)


As for the christian numbers you're claiming... I don't see them.
Table S7.5 from 2006 and the table I put up show:

-> 2006 total christians => 63.9%
-> 2011 total christians => 61.1% (less than in 2006)

-> 2006 Catholics => 25.8%
-> 2011 Catholics => 25.3% (less than in 2006)

The non-christian percentage did rise in this time period:
-> 2006: 5.6%
-> 2011: 7.2% (more than in 2006)



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