Yes because a virgin birth, 2000 year old zombie, and a talking snaking make much more logical sense. A fail before the attempt to succeed, Congratulations.

"Kin I, can I put something like 'Lesuz is Jord' here?"

Sigh, why do Christians often say the universe came from nothing according to the big bang. The big bang says nothing about what came before it, there could have been a universe where all matter orbited a giant purple elephant for all we know. However as a biblical literalist, you must believe god created the universe form nothing as the bible says that.

(November 11, 2013 at 1:59 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Sigh, why do Christians often say the universe came from nothing according to the big bang.

Because indulging in huge, tangled knots of contradictions and cognitive dissonance is a time honored christian pastime.

(November 11, 2013 at 2:27 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 11, 2013 at 1:59 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Sigh, why do Christians often say the universe came from nothing according to the big bang.

Because indulging in huge, tangled knots of contradictions and cognitive dissonance is a time honored christian pastime.

They even named it, "apologetics"
personally I don't even see why they bring up the big bang, because I can tell you that from my experience, my religious beliefs have nothing to do with science either way. I accepted and loved science as a Christian and still do now.
If any thing the big bang is somewhat conducive to the idea of a deity popping the universe into existence.

(November 11, 2013 at 1:59 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Sigh, why do Christians often say the universe came from nothing according to the big bang. The big bang says nothing about what came before it, there could have been a universe where all matter orbited a giant purple elephant for all we know. However as a biblical literalist, you must believe god created the universe form nothing as the bible says that.

Theology and science. If you're gonna fuck up the first, you might as well fuck up the second, just to be consistent.

(November 11, 2013 at 2:52 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: They even named it, "apologetics"
personally I don't even see why they bring up the big bang, because I can tell you that from my experience, my religious beliefs have nothing to do with science either way. I accepted and loved science as a Christian and still do now.
If any thing the big bang is somewhat conducive to the idea of a deity popping the universe into existence.

Maybe it's a case of hedging one's bets: "If I don't question science on universal origins now, then how am I going to look when I suddenly start doing it the moment they definitively discover the godless processes behind such a thing?!"

(November 11, 2013 at 3:07 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 11, 2013 at 2:52 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: They even named it, "apologetics"
personally I don't even see why they bring up the big bang, because I can tell you that from my experience, my religious beliefs have nothing to do with science either way. I accepted and loved science as a Christian and still do now.
If any thing the big bang is somewhat conducive to the idea of a deity popping the universe into existence.

Maybe it's a case of hedging one's bets: "If I don't question science on universal origins now, then how am I going to look when I suddenly start doing it the moment they definitively discover the godless processes behind such a thing?!"

Maybe this is overestimating there knowledge on the subject, but they should know that what happened before the big bang (Failure of language noted) may not be knowable, and all depends on if we study what is beyond the universe. However as it is, and as it only seems possible, we can only study up to one planck time after the big bang at best, the other I thing we would know is if we have a oscillating universe. If thats the case we will know what came before this universe, because the laws of physics may change and the universe will contract. Then it will be safe to say that before this universe was another similar to it.

I look forward to being dead wrong someday.

(November 11, 2013 at 1:59 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: The big bang says nothing about what came before it...

Agreed.

(November 11, 2013 at 6:38 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Agreed.

Why are you acting so proud? You're still completely unjustified in believing a god was before it until you can provide a single iota of evidence for such.

And no amount of self assured emoticons will change that.