(June 17, 2014 at 8:37 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(June 17, 2014 at 8:06 pm)Beccs Wrote: The bit between the covers.

Is that all? So you believe in the bit on the cover about "Holy" then?

Only when I have access to a drill . . .

(June 17, 2014 at 7:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote: errr... so who wrote the Qur'an? and the Torah?

The Qur'an was written in the 20th century by Pope Jean Paul II (there's a reason why he was shown kissing it). As for the Torah, no such thing yet.

(June 17, 2014 at 4:38 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Didn't you know that John Wycliffe wrote the Bible?

Just curious. I've seen you make this claim repeatedly here and am wondering if you have some links where I can read about this. It's certainly something I could throw in the christer's faces if I had something to back it up with.

(June 12, 2014 at 8:07 am)Brian37 Wrote: Any medical doctor or ME can tell you physically how painful drowning is. For someone to claim the flood was justified is to justify torture not only on top of being mass genocide. And a very hypocritical thing for an "all loving" god to do if one is going to claim he is "all powerful" and "poofed" everything into existence. Why all the drama? It would seem to me that you would be compassionate about punishment instead of an act of revenge which is what the flood story depicts.

There was great evil in Noah's Day. God is the giver of life and He also can allow it to be taken away. Sin is a very serious thing to God.

(June 17, 2014 at 11:23 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(June 12, 2014 at 8:07 am)Brian37 Wrote: Any medical doctor or ME can tell you physically how painful drowning is. For someone to claim the flood was justified is to justify torture not only on top of being mass genocide. And a very hypocritical thing for an "all loving" god to do if one is going to claim he is "all powerful" and "poofed" everything into existence. Why all the drama? It would seem to me that you would be compassionate about punishment instead of an act of revenge which is what the flood story depicts.

There was great evil in Noah's Day. God is the giver of life and He also can allow it to be taken away. Sin is a very serious thing to God.

This sums up your post (and, basically, all others):

I make an assertion that I have not backed up with evidence. I make another assertion not backed up with evidence. I make yet a third one.

And I do this for fun just to provoke atheists, not because I genuinely believe what I'm spouting here.

(June 12, 2014 at 8:12 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Serious question rev. When God created the animals, he saw that they were good. Man fell, no longer good. So why did he kill all the good animals along with the bad people? Why not make it a species specific apocalypse?

I never thought of that, good question. I don't believe that God addresses that. I do know that God gave dominion to man over everything on earth and when he failed He purged everything? That is a guess though, I am not sure.

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(June 12, 2014 at 8:16 am)Revelation777 Wrote:

(June 12, 2014 at 5:00 am)One Above All Wrote: The Four Horsemen are some of the most badass beings in the Bible... At least as depicted in other fictitious works based on the Bible. What are the biblical verses related to the Horsemen? What do they say?

Rev 6:1 Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, "Come!"
Rev 6:2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!"
Rev 6:4 And out came another horse, bright red. Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, and he was given a great sword.
Rev 6:5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" And I looked, and behold, a black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine!"
Rev 6:7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!"
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.

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(June 12, 2014 at 6:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Genesis 9:11 '...Never again will there be a flood to destroy the Earth...'

Which way will you have it, Rev? They can't BOTH be right.

Boru

this time will be fire. get in the ark!

I am using the "ark" as being figurative of Christ being our only hope for protection from the Lord's wrath against sin coming some time in the near future.

Revelation, the Bible isn't proof of anything. It's a book that is used to indoctrinate people to believing things that have no proof. Faith is not about proof, really. When I was a Christian, I invested time like you, trying to get people to see my points. But, truth is...the Bible is only relevant to a believer. You believe that a god exists, because the Bible states it. You have been indoctrinated to believe this, at some point in your life. Like many of us, myself included, I was indoctrinated into religion as a kid. But, a few years ago, I decided to look into things more objectively.

The Bible isn't proof of anything. It's just a book that you use as a crutch to justify why you believe what you do. It's not a historical account of anything, although there are places and events that did happen in the Bible, serving as backdrops for the fairy tale stories that are depicted throughout. But, barring that, the Bible isn't evidence of anything. At best, it was mankind's way of explaining what it didn't understand about the universe and mankind. At the worst, it's all just a lie.

I choose to think it's something in between.

(June 12, 2014 at 9:42 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: There was a great evil in the world back then just like there is today. Read newspaper.

So your god's Final Solution To The Great Evil Question did fuck all, basically.

No, God is working on restoring the world to its original state, without sin. Got to purge out the sin and the devil first though.

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(June 12, 2014 at 9:44 am)Chuck Wrote:

(June 12, 2014 at 9:09 am)max-greece Wrote: Erm......the ark?

A wooden boat? In a fire? Are you fucknuts or what?

It must be a boat made from chemically impregnated, fire resistant wood as advertised by the born again chemical industry.


Speaking of which, science says life has 500 million - 2.8 billion more years before ending in drought, earth has 6 billion more years before ending in fire, and all creation has >>100 trillion years before ending in ice.

I trust these more than the likes of you.

Scientist be so smartz

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(June 12, 2014 at 9:50 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(June 12, 2014 at 9:09 am)max-greece Wrote: Erm......the ark?

A wooden boat? In a fire? Are you fucknuts or what?

You forgot; Christians don't believe in science. So the fire couldn't possibly burn through a wooden boat.

No, Christians believe in the natural and the supernatural.

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(June 12, 2014 at 9:52 am)Stimbo Wrote: Anyway, I plan to be in an iron chariot. God can't touch me.

You need to have a chat with Elijah

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(June 12, 2014 at 9:59 am)pocaracas Wrote: If the big guy is bringing in fire, I bring forth my whitewalker army.

What would a White Walker do to me>?

Why are these types of 'preaching' threads permitted now? This isn't the first of its kind by this poster. ??

He's not interested in debate, so it's a preaching thread.

(June 12, 2014 at 10:22 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(June 12, 2014 at 8:06 am)Revelation777 Wrote: "religion" and born again Christ followers are very different

How so, Rev? How is your set of rigorous, ritualistic beliefs in a deity and an afterlife not religion?

And, moreover, are you saying that your particular brand of belief is not responsible for evil in this world? A lot of it?

My definition of religion is man's effort in trying to have a relationship with God. Having a relationship with Christ because He sought me out and I opened my heart to Him is what I believe in. There is a great gulf between a person who proclaims to be a Christian and a genuine one.