Oregon Journalist Andy Ngo Attacked By Antifa Members

[Amarok]

Ah Karl Marx, good intentions, but that is what they say hell is filled of.

Considering no communist state has ever actually done as Marx prescribed . The horrors of 20th century Sovietizism has little to do with Marx

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And hey, maybe he's a bad guy. Maybe he did some shitty stuff. Doesn't mean you can walk around and punch people in the face unprovoked. End of story.

Yes it does because his writing is provocation in itself

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You're trying so hard to split hairs here it's sad. Having a disagreement about fascism is a political disagreement. Even if you "don't believe in politics."

Nope 

The fuck is your point anyway Gae? Let's say it ISN'T about politics in your little pretend reality. This journalist was assaulted without provocation. You trying to talk about whether or not it's about politics is entirely beside the point.

He most definitely provoked he choose to support race realism he brought this on himself

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Ngo stands out as what they consider a legitimate target for their constrained violence.

And he is

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Well, by the measure of their hands, they could also be gassing the undsireables, comrade. same hand measure.

Yay bullshit horseshoe theory of assuming all violence is equal

[Sal]

TJ Kirk has a hot take on victim blaming.

[Amarok]

If only Ngo were a victim

[Sal]

If only Ngo were a victim

By what metric?

[Amarok]

If only Ngo were a victim

By what metric?

By the metric we judge victims

[Sal]

By what metric?

By the metric we judge victims

If someone is attacked, are they a victim?

[The Grand Nudger]

With respect to antifa, it doesnt matter. They aren’t moral exemplars trying to do things “ the right way”. Theirs is an explicit rejection of what we might see as the right way in favor of an effective way- at least as they see it.

As a movement, they don’t have an ideological issue with victimizing some douche.

You’d think hitting an asshole in the face would make that crystal clear.

[Amarok]

By the metric we judge victims

If someone is attacked, are they a victim?

Not if they made themselves a valid target for the attack

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With respect to antifa, it doesnt matter.  They aren’t moral exemplars trying to do things “ the right way”.  Theirs is an explicit rejection of what we might see as the right way in favor of an effective way- at least as they see it.

As a movement, they don’t have an ideological issue with victimizing some douche.

You’d think hitting an asshole in the face would make that crystal clear.

I hardly call Ngo a victim but your right it doesn't matter really

[vulcanlogician]

With respect to antifa, it doesnt matter.  They aren’t moral exemplars trying to do things “ the right way”.  Theirs is an explicit rejection of what we might see as the right way in favor of an effective way- at least as they see it.

As a movement, they don’t have an ideological issue with victimizing some douche.

You’d think hitting an asshole in the face would make that crystal clear.

As much as I want to like Antifa, this shit doesn't sit well with me. Let's put aside for the moment the fact that I think a real anarchist/Marxist revolution must be a pacifist revolution in order to produce a genuine Marxist or anarchist result. Let's even put aside the fact that violence is (usually) immoral in and of itself.

My problem is that these guys ought to be beating down racist cops instead of dickweed journalists. Again, I don't advocate violence in any scenario. But I don't trust Antifa to take out the Gestapo were the Gestapo actually roaming the streets (and, in a way, they are). They aren't anti-fascists. They're anti-"the PR department of fascism." And when push comes to shove, that doesn't really count for shit.

[Amarok]

With respect to antifa, it doesnt matter.  They aren’t moral exemplars trying to do things “ the right way”.  Theirs is an explicit rejection of what we might see as the right way in favor of an effective way- at least as they see it.

As a movement, they don’t have an ideological issue with victimizing some douche.

You’d think hitting an asshole in the face would make that crystal clear.

As much as I want to like Antifa, this shit doesn't sit well with me. Let's put aside for the moment the fact that I think a real anarchist/Marxist revolution must be a pacifist revolution in order to produce a genuine Marxist or anarchist result. Let's even put aside the fact that violence is (usually) immoral in and of itself.

My problem is that these guys ought to be beating down racist cops instead of dickweed journalists. Again, I don't advocate violence in any scenario. But I don't trust Antifa to take out the Gestapo were the Gestapo actually roaming the streets (and, in a way, they are). They aren't anti-fascists. They're anti-"the PR department of fascism." And when push comes to shove, that doesn't really count for shit.

Some such movements but as we said over and over Antifa is not an Anarchist /Marxist movement it has members who are but it ranks are not a set ideology As for the rest will see .